Apple Silicon is Overpriced and over valued in technology market

[trevpimp]

If you think about the availability of devices Apple is mainstreaming so many with such little upgrades, I will say that because Apple Silicon is overpriced and over valued it will take many years to see an upgrade which is slowing down technology progress

Positive speaking* Thats what happens when you change the game so quickly with ARM architecture with the needed Chips

 

[Arctic Moose]

We have just seen the biggest performance leap most people here have ever seen in their life, and you’re complaining that the year-to-year improvement isn’t significant enough despite the fact that it is a bigger improvement than we’ve typically seen from Intel during the last decade?

Got it, makes total sense.

 

[trevpimp]

We have just seen the biggest performance leap most people here have ever seen in their life, and you’re complaining that the year-to-year improvement isn’t significant enough despite the fact that it is a bigger improvement than we’ve typically seen from Intel during the last decade?

Got it, makes total sense.

I am saying the cost of these upgrades are overpriced because of big improvements in comparison to Intel,

Its so greatly improved that the technology market is slowing down

 

[nosnhojm]

Overpriced? Compared to the intel MacBooks that proceeded it, and accounting for inflation?
Many years to see an upgrade? In the last 15 years, Apple has released ~40 ARM chips

 

[trevpimp]

Overpriced? Compared to the intel MacBooks that proceeded it, and accounting for inflation?
Many years to see an upgrade? In the last 15 years, Apple has released ~40 ARM chips

Yes, because of Silicon we will now be introduced to high priced phones that has inflated everything in the market of technology because of its value

Apple is ahead of the game that other companies can't even compete, but what's going to happen now that technology is over priced because of SoC?

 

[Arctic Moose]

I am saying the cost of these upgrades are overpriced because of big improvements in comparison to Intel

The M series Macs were introduced at practically the same prices as the models they replaced, despite the massive performance boosts.

Its so greatly improved that the technology market is slowing down

Quite the opposite, now practically everyone with a dog in the fight is scrambling to catch up.

One rumor:

Microsoft and AMD reportedly partner up to create powerful Arm laptop chip

The next generation of Windows on ARM laptops could be much more powerful thanks to AMD and Microsoft working together.

www.windowscentral.com

And a claim:

Qualcomm’s M1-class laptop chips will be ready for PCs in “late 2023”

Qualcomm’s early-2021 Nuvia acquisition is taking time to bear fruit.

arstechnica.com

 

[trevpimp]

With Apple deciding the value of SoC right now it is over priced and over valued, the other companies can't compete with the current market

It's an assurance of how everything has changed with technology this past decade

 

[Arctic Moose]

With Apple deciding the value of SoC right now it is over priced and over valued, the other companies can't compete with the current market trend

How is Apple charging the same amount for more performance than what Intel was charging for less overpriced?

Competition is good, and has forced Intel (and everyone else) to wake up.

 

[trevpimp]

How is Apple charging the same amount for more performance than what Intel was charging for less overpriced?

Competition is good, and has forced Intel (and everyone else) to wake up.

It is overpriced in comparison to past and previous counterparts in todays market

What we are seeing is Apple taking over the market making prices with SoC's

Everything SoC is no where to be found we will now see minor improvements/designs/context with what little has changed now that SoC is in the market

ps I have been optimistic in previous posts I am speaking from a person point of view on Apple's game

 

[MauiPa]

Hahahaha, no just no. Every time I compare an Apple silicon Mac to a comparably specked and comparable performance from other vendors - apple wins on value easily. And that is before any throttling issues by those megawatt rated Intel chips

But feel free to back up your claim with links. Remember. Can you say compable?

 

[Arctic Moose]

It is overpriced in comparison to past and previous counterparts in todays market

Past (and current) competitors are typically less capable, more expensive or both.

 

[Digitalguy]

What are you trying to say? That Apple made a big jump so from now one it can only slow down because there cannot be other big jumps? So what?
What has this to do with being overpriced?
Your explanations for "overpriced" don't seem to make any sense

 

[trevpimp]

What are you trying to say? That Apple made a big jump so from now one it can only slow down because there cannot be other big jumps? So what?
What has this to do with being overpriced?
Your explanations for "overpriced" don't seem to make any sense

Market value doesn't change in the previous counter part of products and for the amount of excess upgrades year after year it is measurable to say that the counterparts being put into Apple products are overpriced hence reasons why value barely changes and over value has slowed down progress

Point of the thread is to converse about Apples game in SoC and its slowing of upgrades,

Edit: I know Apple has surprises up their sleeve, if it was a time other companies were in competition Apple will throttle out of curtains but right now they are way ahead of the game,

 

[MauiPa]

Yes, because of Silicon we will now be introduced to high priced phones that has inflated everything in the market of technology because of its value

Apple is ahead of the game that other companies can't even compete, but what's going to happen now that technology is over priced because of SoC?

I seriously doubt you can support that, with you know, facts. You could try comparing to a Dell, but they have really slow SSDs (even slower than the 1 chip 256 everyone is whining about). And are plagued by thermal throttling issues and poor build quality. But have at it. Links would be nice, or a table so a dict comparison can be made. But I suspect you won’t, cause facts dont support your position

 

[MauiPa]

Market value doesn't change in the previous counter part of products and for the amount of excess upgrades year after year it is measurable to say that the counterparts being put into Apple products are overpriced hence reasons why value barely changes and over value has slowed down progress

Point of the thread is to converse about Apples game in SoC and its slowing of upgrades,

Edit: I know Apple has surprises up their sleeve, if it was a time other companies were in competition Apple will throttle out of curtains but right now they are way ahead of the game,

Sorry couldnt follow that

 

[Shh]

We’re paying the same for more performance and less power consumption. I fail to see the point you’re trying to make.

 

[leman]

I think they are quite competitively priced within their respective market segment. And regarding „lack of upgrades“… M2 to M1 is better progress than Intel had from 2017 to 2021.

One of the reason why it seems like Apple performance improvements are slowing down is because they are still using pretty much the microarchitecture of A14, while x86 just moved to a new generation of cores. Apple doesn’t operate like other chip makers in the CPU space. They release small incremental updates every years, with bigger redesigns every few years instead. So far the pattern has been a new cache subsystem this year, redesigned backend that year etc. It might seem like Apple doesn’t make any gains in the CPU performance department but A15 for example made the E-cores much more powerful. Not as flashy and won’t reflect much in the benchmarks, but nevertheless very important.

The bottoming is that we‘ll see the next performance leap from Apple once they release their new P-core designs. But all the talk about „ARM running out of steam“ is very much premature. There is always the option of vertically scaling performance by increasing per-core power consumption.

 

[Corefile]

I am saying the cost of these upgrades are overpriced because of big improvements in comparison to Intel,

Its so greatly improved that the technology market is slowing down

The leap from Intel to Apple Silicon was as great as the leap from PowerPC to Intel back in 2006. The price increase wasn't really that much to suddenly have the fastest laptops in the world for a short time.

 

[Jumpthesnark]

Market value doesn't change in the previous counter part of products and for the amount of excess upgrades year after year it is measurable to say that the counterparts being put into Apple products are overpriced

What even do you mean by "counter part" (or "counterparts") here? You've used the phrase before and I really can't make any sense of what you're saying, at least in part because your usage doesn't appear to have any relation to the actual definition of the word.

Setting that aside, providing any information (items, prices, etc.) of what you're discussing, as others have mentioned, may go a long way toward helping us to understand the premise of this post.

 

[Abazigal]

If you think about the availability of devices Apple is mainstreaming so many with such little upgrades, I will say that because Apple Silicon is overpriced and over valued it will take many years to see an upgrade which is slowing down technology progress

Thats what happens when you change the game so quickly with ARM architecture with the needed Chips

Macs are pretty competitively priced compared to windows PCs (and in some cases, even cheaper) thanks to Apple silicon. In many scenarios, you will be hard pressed to find an equivalent windows computer which offers the same amount of battery life and sustained performance, while also staying cool to the touch. There's no equivalent to the Mac Studio, for one, no thanks to Intel dropping the ball in that area.

That's Apple's unique value proposition right there, and for the people who do value such things, I will say that Apple silicon is actually underpriced for what it offers.

 

[jeremysteele]

So the point of this thread is... "I don't understand a technology so I'm going to post about how it is scary and overpriced" ?

I am a little lost here.

 

[Shh]

So the point of this thread is... "I don't understand a technology so I'm going to post about how it is scary and overpriced" ?

I am a little lost here.

 

[theorist9]

Market value doesn't change in the previous counter part of products and for the amount of excess upgrades year after year it is measurable to say that the counterparts being put into Apple products are overpriced hence reasons why value barely changes and over value has slowed down progress.

This is just word salad. By writing this way, you're asking your readers to do the work to translate your words into something comprehensible. That's your job, not theirs.

 

[klasma]

I’m guessing the OP is not a native English speaker. I don’t get what they’re trying to express either.

 

[Tagbert]

Point of the thread is to converse about Apples game in SoC and its slowing of upgrades,

What slowing are you talking about? More people are complaining that upgraded SOCs are coming out too soon for them.

You are making some vague statements that are hard to interpret. Would you care to include some facts to illustrate or backup your points, otherwise it just sounds like someone muttering about economics who doesn’t really understand economics.