Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.

MacRumors

macrumors bot
Original poster
Apr 12, 2001
68,723
39,663


Apple will continue to rely on Korean suppliers for device displays as it makes a big push to develop its own components for more control over product designs, claims a new report (via The Korea Herald).

apple-watch-ultra-3.jpg

According to Korea's Institute for Information & Communications Technology Promotion (IITP), Apple has emerged as a new player in the display market from a long-term perspective, even as it expands its use of in-house components and displays.

For example, Apple is reportedly planning to start transitioning its devices from OLED to microLED, beginning with Apple Watch Ultra in 2024 or 2025, and followed by iPhones, iPads, and eventually MacBooks, too.

However, the IITP believes that it may take some time for Apple to completely commercialize its self-made display technology. Given that microLED display production remains challenging, manufacturing costs are higher, so Apple will continue to source at least 60% of its components from Korean display manufacturers such as Samsung Display and LG Display for the next several years, according to the report.
"Apple is expected to outsource display production to Korean vendors in the coming years to save the costs necessary for mass production," the report said. "If domestic display makers can outsource Apple's microLED production, it could give them the advantage to catch up with their Chinese rivals."
A new Apple Watch Ultra with a microLED display has been rumored by several sources, including Display Supply Chain Consultants CEO Ross Young, Bloomberg's Mark Gurman, and Haitong International Securities analyst Jeff Pu. Gurman said the microLED transition could begin by the end of 2024, but noted the timeframe could slip into 2025. Young also gave a 2025 timeframe, so the technology could be at least two years away.

Meanwhile, Apple is still completing its lengthy transition from LCD to OLED display technology. The Apple Watch has used OLED since it launched in 2015, and iPhone models gradually switched to OLED starting in 2017. Rumors suggest the first iPad Pro and MacBook models with OLED displays will be released in 2024.

Article Link: Apple to Rely on Korean Suppliers Amid Switch to Custom MicroLED Displays
 
I must admit this is getting confusing:

Apple Watch Ultra going from OLED to microLed.

Yet all Macbooks are rumoured to eventually go from LCD and microLed to OLED.

And ipads also apparently getting the same treatment.

Anyone else getting confused with Apples screen technology strategy?
No because microLEDs are hard to manufacture so making smaller screens first is logical.

Way better than stick with Chinese suppliers
Why is that?
 
I must admit this is getting confusing:

Apple Watch Ultra going from OLED to microLed.

Yet all Macbooks are rumoured to eventually go from LCD and microLed to OLED.

And ipads also apparently getting the same treatment.

Anyone else getting confused with Apples screen technology strategy?


I think your confusion comes from the fact that you are mixing up MiniLED with MicroLED.

LCD < miniLED < OLED < microLED

They skipped miniLED on the Watch and iPhone.
 
I think your confusion comes from the fact that you are mixing up MiniLED with MicroLED.

LCD < miniLED < OLED < microLED

They skipped miniLED on the Watch and iPhone.
Marketing has screwed all naming up. MiniLED is basically just LCD with a fancy backlight anyway. And MicroLED, really should just be called LED.
 
  • Like
Reactions: _Spinn_
I'm excited for microLED products to finally be a reality (in the real world, not counting those $100k+ TVs for billionaires). However, I think I can predict a common failure mode in the first few years of products: dead lines and patches of pixels, particularly near the edges of panels. Due to the tolerances involved, maintaining the bonds between the LEDs and substrate is going to be a problem and there will be a lot of cases of cracked joints due to flexing and thermal expansion. I'd love to be wrong, but it seems inevitable that there will be an initial step down in reliability.
 
Anyone else getting confused with Apples screen technology strategy?

Honestly? Not really.

Apple Watch launched with OLED, so microLED is the next logical step as it brings all the benefits of OLED with fewer to none of the drawbacks. And considering how challenging and expensive it is to make a microLED display, doing it in a two-inch form factor makes sense to start.

Apple (effectively) skipping miniLED and going straight from LED to OLED for iPads does make some sense as the technology is "tried and true" in iPhones and as tablet OLED production has increased, prices have dropped so OLED might be cheaper than miniLED now in the sizes the iPad family uses.

I admit I am not sure why Apple wants to move from LED/miniLED to OLED for MacBook Airs and MacBook Pros. It could be for the same reason as they are doing so on iPads (cheaper pricing) and if Apple uses the similar AMOLED technology they use on the iPhone and iPad, that would help alleviate some of the issues with burn-in and off-axis color that one sees in TV-style WOLEDs.
 
Last edited:
I think your confusion comes from the fact that you are mixing up MiniLED with MicroLED.

LCD < miniLED < OLED < microLED

They skipped miniLED on the Watch and iPhone.

The Mini and Micro are always confusing. Same with USB. Apparently Mini means "the stopgap version that sucks but now we're stuck with" and Micro means "the good one."
 
Going to be nice when the watch keeps the screen on while charging so it can be a bedside clock.
 
Maybe with the MicroLED Apple will push Apple Watch Ultra to hit solid 7 days of battery life. We are already getting good 3 days of battery life with Apple Watch Ultra.
I think they will eventually need to move the Watch SOC to 3nm and that will help with power consumption. The current Watch SOCs are on 7nm and have been at least since the Watch S4.
 
If Apple can use microLED display for Apple Watch, it means they can easily make displays for Mac because of PPI. Yes, the only problem will be the dead pixel which is hard to solve.
 
If Apple can use microLED display for Apple Watch, it means they can easily make displays for Mac because of PPI. Yes, the only problem will be the dead pixel which is hard to solve.
Dead pixels are possible with any active display technology though they are pretty rare anymore in Apple displays.

Currently there are some very large microLED displays but that assembly process does not work with smaller displays. Just making a microLED display in Watch size does not mean that it will be easy to build a laptop-size screen. There are differences in density, overall size, backing, viewing angle, brightness, and other parameters that are different for those sizes and use cases. Even once they have a microLED display on a Watch, expect that a laptop screen would still take a few years to be ready to ship.
 
Last edited:
I know it’s more complicated than this, but as one of the richest companies in the world… why not just buy out one of the suppliers that creates microLED? Then it will indeed be theirs.
 
I know it’s more complicated than this, but as one of the richest companies in the world… why not just buy out one of the suppliers that creates microLED? Then it will indeed be theirs.

Apple purchased LuxVue Technology back in 2014 and that company was developing low-power, micro-LED-based displays for consumer electronics. Apple has also been investing in other microLED supplier companies.

So they've been working on it for close to a decade and that they have not yet released anything (nor has anyone else in this size category) is a sign of just how difficult it is to create the technology and then, especially, scale it to tens (Watch) or hundreds (iPhone) of millions of units per year.
 
Why is that?

Morally: because you're supporting an authoritarian, genocidal regime that uses rape as a form of torture.
Objectively: because relations between the US and China are breaking down, and the more dependent Apple is on China, the more they will be screwed when it ends.
Financially: Chinese labor is expensive these days-- e.g. 3X more than Mexican. That currently is offset by centralizations of components being built there, but the more production diversifies, the less that matters.

At this point, Apple should (and seemingly is) do everything in its power to minimize its dependance on China.
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.