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MrWeenus

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Hi guys!

I am looking to upgrade my home theatre setup and have a quick question. Will the Apple TV 4K output Apple Music in Dolby Atmos to my 5.1 sound system, via the TV optical audio out?

To get an idea of what I'm trying to achieve --

Current Setup - Headless Apple TV 3 -> Optical Audio Out -> Outputs Apple Music via airplay in stereo only

Planned Setup - Apple TV 4K -> TV -> Optical Audio Out -> Outputs Apple Music as ???

Is what I'm trying to achieve possible, or will it require dolby atmos certified hardware?

Thank you!
 
Dolby Atmos isn’t compatible through optical, but not only that if you don’t have an Atmos setup then you won’t even see an option to enable Atmos either.
 
Optical Audio Out has got enough bandwidth only for stereo PCM or 5.1 AC3/DTS. Anything newer or needing more bandwidth is not supported.
 
So I'm understanding that there's no way in making this work without a specialised setup? If I'm not mistaken, Dolby atmos is just a glorified 5.1 setup, right?
 
Optical Audio Out has got enough bandwidth only for stereo PCM or 5.1 AC3/DTS. Anything newer or needing more bandwidth is not supported.
I don't believe it is a bandwidth issue. Speed of light is sufficient for transferring any audio, after all.
The problem is with missing copy protection on that old interface.
 
I'm going to go back on this one. I can say that you do not *require* Dolby Atmos speakers to get the surround experience.

Just switched to an older HDTV which has optical passthrough. Connected my 5.1 system to it, via that and updated to the latest Apple TV 2022.

Dolby Atmos songs are played in surround for sure, as I can see the output on the sound system being switched to digital and the front/back channels are receiving different sounds.

Whenever I play a normal, stereo song, it switches back to stereo processing.

Yes, it might not be Dolby Atmos in full, but it is definitely 5.1 surround.
 
One more update. Took the plunge and changed the TV as well, with a one that supports Dolby Vision/Atmos.
The signal coming from Apple TV is Atmos and gets down mixed to 5.1 surround via optical, sounding great.

Even if it's not true Dolby Atmos, it is sounding extremely close to it. :)
 
TOSLINK does not have the bandwidth to carry the uncompressed versions of Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD Master Audio, or more than two channels of PCM audio.
I can not believe it is a bandwidth issue.
I know missing copy protection is an issue.
IMHO that interface was simply abandoned and more recent protocols never implemented on it.

That same wiki article says:
  • 125 Mbit/s (automotive, 2003)[2]
125Mbps could not only carry Atmos, but also UHD Dolby Vision image with it. This exceeds the UHD bluray raw bitrate by 25%.
 
Yup, I know. But HomePods will never be able to beat a dedicated surround sound system, with a dedicated subwoofer.
Stuff's sounding great, even though it's not true Dolby Atmos, it is some sort of Dolby mix down. I really enjoy this.
 
Atmos in DD+ is delivered in 5.1 downmix to begin with.
Only if you have Atmos capable signal chain, objects will be extracted and sent to renderer.
This method guarantees backward compatibility.
 
I can not believe it is a bandwidth issue.
I know missing copy protection is an issue.
IMHO that interface was simply abandoned and more recent protocols never implemented on it.

Certainly possible that they didn't implement higher bandwidth due to copyright concerns.
 
OP, get an ATMOS receiver in your chains with airplay 2. Then you can "throw" music to it from your source (Mac or PC), from iDevices, or directly push music through AppleTV to the Receiver.

Instead of trying to flow music playback through your television, you MAY want to listen to that music with TV off. So a receiver can plug in between AppleTV and TV:

AppleTV HDMI OUT into Receiver HDMI IN... Receiver HDMI OUT to TV HDMI IN.​

This allows you to turn off the TV and enjoy music from AppleTV. In this mode, think of AppleTV like an old CD player or iPod. If it was either, you probably would not be trying to flow the music through a television. Instead, you would link straight to receiver/amplifier to listen to your music.

OR, if you get a Receiver with airplay 2, you can do as I do and choose it as a airplay target from a Mac to play directly from Mac to Receiver (no AppleTV involved).

Now, what I do NOT know about these suggestions is the ATMOS part. Based on a quick look around- but certainly not definitive- it appears that Airplay 2 limits ATMOS music options to Apple hardware. If true, this makes me think that first option involving AppleTV to Receiver seems like it should work if Receiver is ATMOS capable. The Apple website section on ATMOS music confirms this WILL work.

The latter option of Mac or PC airplaying directly to Receiver may not be able to deliver ATMOS. I mostly listen to my own music collection (ripped from CDs) so everything is Stereo. Someone else who KNOWS about this topic should chime in here. My guess is that this will NOT work unless you perhaps directly attach a Mac (with HDMI) to the Receiver via HDMI.

In your concept, I would always see the TV insertion as weakest link, as TV outputs are generally focused on audio associated with watching things on that TV. The optical jack on most TVs is notorious for chopping anything more than stereo fed to the TV down to stereo out. I'd definitely try to dodge any optical-based setup too. That standard is fading fast unless one can be happy within its limitations: 5.1 DD at best.

What you likely need is to work through HDMI as it is THE way to shift ATMOS from one device to another. We know AppleTV is capable, so getting an ATMOS receiver as the next link in the chain seems most likely to deliver what you want. TV then is last link in the chain only if you need to see something on the screen. Else, you can turn it off when enjoying only music.
 
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AFAIK, the only way to listen to Apple Music in real, native Atmos, is via appleTV 4K and AVR.
All other solutions only provide you with a (binaural) Apple Spatial rendering.
My knowledge is based on the following article. In particular, section "5 - Apple's "Spatial Audio" Mess".

 
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