Apple Vision Pro: A Watershed Moment for Personal Computing
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bkkcanuck8
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I just hope/wish that Apple will invest in more 'educational' and STEM based software/material for this new product.... but I bet I will be disappointed.
the future
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Well if they won‘t, other developers surely will. I have a feeling the Vision Pro app store will be very interesting.
I'm sure STEM based software will be written by someone, eventually. However, it will be the hardware cost that will be the constraining issue.
Just as the Macintosh line (starting with the 128K back in 1984) was unaffordable by education (below the university level) and many families for years, so will this.
Just as the Macintosh line (starting with the 128K back in 1984) was unaffordable by education (below the university level) and many families for years, so will this.
the future
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I suppose there is a really vast disconnect between how „stupid“/„strange“ you look from the outside when wearing this thing vs. how awesome the inside experience actually is. But at least the „breakthrough“ function solves the problem of other headsets of not even noticing when other people are in the room seeing you look „stupid“/„strange“.
kkee
macrumors 6502a
Me too. I am planning to develop an apps for it. Still not confirm though many ideas floating around. Currently I am leaning more towards infographics style of POI around my country. Data feeds from travel, yelp and wiki site, and using Apple 3D Map Kit so you can zoom in, rotate, and click any particular building and an information related to that building pop up in 3D rendering. Users can actively add rating, comments and notes.
I think what is not shown in all the demos is the full potential of this device. This device can break down walls virtually and take you anywhere it can simulate. The productivity aspects of this is gonna be amazing. Imagine the benefits for the physically disabled. And for the amount of personal space one can have in the virtual world.
I am sure the price will come down in time. And who knows, maybe a cheaper non-Pro version may be in the making. Once you get over the fact that this is a M2 chip computer with two >4k display, and built in AR/VR with an independent R1 chip; maybe that price does not seem that high.
I too believe that this is a watershed moment for personal computing.
I am sure the price will come down in time. And who knows, maybe a cheaper non-Pro version may be in the making. Once you get over the fact that this is a M2 chip computer with two >4k display, and built in AR/VR with an independent R1 chip; maybe that price does not seem that high.
I too believe that this is a watershed moment for personal computing.
kkee
macrumors 6502a
Yes, the potential is huge but mostly we only see what the hardware capable of partly because other developers haven't jump in yet.
No concern with price especially for short term. Obviously the price limits initial consumer adoption, but manufacturing constraints mean that Apple wouldn’t be able to supply as much as we wanted. Demand will be very high but supply will be constrained. Even for Apple standard, it will be very complicated device to make. Only 30% of the production for testing are acceptable so far and they have to reuse the components just because they are very hard to obtain. I plan to pre-order the second it opens. You know the law, when super high demand meets super low supply what would be happening? Even more higher demand. Expect some second hand seller selling this in Ebay for 20k each.
Keep social acceptance in mind. Personally, I think most of the general public will look down upon anyone wearing this in public, except for maybe airplanes. It'll be google glass all over again, even ignoring the fact that you're basically wearing a sign that says, "Rip and steal this expensive computer off my head!" Anything travel-related will probably have to be limited for use at home, in a hotel, or at the office (unless you're making a virtual travel app).
Personally, I think it'll be 10-20++ years before wearing something like this in public will be socially acceptable.
If the rumors about the display production are true (suppliers can only produce enough displays initially for something like 100,000 Vision Pros a year), getting one might be ugly. Of course, those are just rumors and so I'm hoping the true situation is otherwise.
kkee
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the future
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Something as (relatively) big as the VP - I agree we won‘t see much of it in public at first. But I don‘t think it‘ll take 20 years to get the tech into a more „acceptable“ form factor, more like 10 (at most), and the functionality will be so desirable that the definition of „acceptable“ might shift a little along the way.
Matz
macrumors 65816
It certainly would look weird wearing one in public, but I really don't see why someone would use it out in public (ok, maybe at Starbucks). It seems to be designed primarily for office/home/air travel use, rather than walking around with it on. It would spark conversations, particularly when it's new, but I suspect that it would be accepted by the air traveling public fairly quickly.
Tdude96
macrumors 6502
Generally, I agree. At least until it becomes more compact and has more consumer-friendly pricing.
But I can see it being used in public or semi-public spaces like airplane & car passengers. Art installations, museums, tour buses, historical sites and the like. As well as gaining a foothold in professional, technical, scientific, and academic environments. Potentially, depending on camera and sensor response rates, it could be used to create a whole new avenue for activity analysis for physical therapy and sports training. There's a huge amount of space available for app creators to explore.
bkkcanuck8
macrumors 6502a
Starbucks definitely - and not much of a problem with power since usually I could plug in there (though I don't go to Starbucks with a computer unless I am on the road and don't have a room near to go back to). However, even though Apple is going to hate it, I think tourist type influencers on YouTube will start to generate content out and about using the headset ... at least at the beginning and longer if it works for that. My only question is if YouTube will start to push their VR consumption content more.
If you expect STEM apps to be on the App Store's top 10 of anything list... you dont know user use cases... it would likely be the AR version of Angry Birds or Candy Crush.
But if Apple were to create a top 10 STEM app and promote it front and center when you open the App Store... it has a fighting chance.
I think it will start with home use, air travel, and Starbucks. It's certainly small enough to put into a backpack and lighter than a laptop.
3D content is gonna be interesting. Especially since this device makes it so easy to create. Not sure if it is suitable for active sports or such activities (which the Go Pro is a good fit). Disney is already onboard this, so it will be interesting where this takes us. Some of the reviewers who tried it at Apple, said that the 3D court side experience is unbelievably good.
It's highly dependent upon the area, but wearing a Vision Pro in public is basically wearing a target on your head that says, "Rip this off my head and steal it" (ignoring the fact that some people will laugh at you). Public wearing only works in safe areas like airplanes and maybe airplane terminals. We already have laptops that get stolen from places like Starbucks, although it doesn't seem common. A quick google search shows a few examples; here's one: https://www.dallasnews.com/news/cri...ucks-customers-across-dallas-area-police-say/
I'm pretty sure that wearing one in public will eventually become socially acceptable. However, I think that day is years off.
I'm actually wondering how many hours it'll be after the Vision Pro is released before we hear the first complaint that someone's Vision Pro was stolen ...
My desktop computer was stolen from my own house. Stuff happens.
I wouldn't be worried about wearing an AVP in a public space, though I have no need to. And I'd probably avoid super crowded areas.
So am I and hope it can be gotten, lol. Are you crazy? Thinking about selling your OLED TV, lol. Apple is going to bundle this thing up in the ecosystem instead of making it more universal. I really want this but I would not even think of selling my OLED TV or any for it.
Lol, who cares what the public thinks about someone wearing ski goggles. Anyone that would wear or try to outside would go to the top of the list for the Darwin Awards.
Matz
macrumors 65816
To reiterate, it doesn't appear to be intended for wearing while out and about, but for use where using a laptop is already accepted: at home, in an office, in an airplane, at Starbucks, and so forth. Seated or standing, not walking around. The notion that public acceptance is a significant factor in its adoption is an argument based on a misunderstanding of how it's intended to be used; it makes no sense.
Bodhitree
macrumors 68020
Exactly so. It’s an expensive item, you don’t want to walk into a lantern pole with it on and damage it. From what I saw of the demo’s it allows you to place screens in AR space, so you could redecorate your house with it… to make use of that you’re going to need a fair bit of space around you.