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Apple's new Vision Pro headset can serve as an external display for a Mac, allowing you to view and control your computer in a visionOS window. The feature is even compatible with some older Intel-based Macs, with one limitation.

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In a new support document, Apple has confirmed that the Vision Pro's Mac Virtual Display feature is compatible with any Mac running macOS Sonoma. If the Mac has an Apple silicon chip, the headset can show its display at up to 4K resolution. If the Mac has an Intel processor, however, Apple says resolution is limited to up to 3K.

macOS Sonoma is compatible with the following Macs:
  • MacBook Pro: 2018 and later
  • MacBook Air: 2018 and later
  • Mac mini: 2018 and later
  • iMac: 2019 and later
  • iMac Pro: 2017
  • Mac Studio: 2022 and later
  • Mac Pro: 2019 and later
To use the feature, the Vision Pro and the Mac need to be signed in to the same Apple ID, and the account must have two-factor authentication turned on. In addition, Wi-Fi and Bluetooth must be enabled on both devices to establish a connection.

If you look at a MacBook while wearing the Vision Pro, a "Connect" button will appear above it. For desktop Macs, or if the button fails to appear, Mac Virtual Display can also be turned on in the Vision Pro's Control Center.

You can move your Mac's virtual display by pinching and dragging the window's bottom bar, and bring it closer or farther away. You can also resize the window by pinching and dragging the window bars that appear in the bottom corners.

If your Mac has multiple external displays connected to it, the Vision Pro only shows the one set as the main display in the Mac's System Settings app.

You can use your Mac's built-in keyboard and trackpad, or a paired Bluetooth keyboard and trackpad, to control both the Mac Virtual Display and other visionOS apps. However, the Vision Pro cannot be used with a Bluetooth mouse, according to Apple.

Apple's instructions for turning on Universal Control:
If you want to share the pointer between your macOS and visionOS apps, Handoff must be turned on on both devices. On Apple Vision Pro, go to Settings > General > Handoff. On your Mac, go to System Settings > General > AirDrop & Handoff.

On your Mac, you also need to turn on "Allow your pointer and keyboard to move between any nearby Mac or iPad." Go to System Settings > Displays, then click Advanced.
A few other details shared by Apple:
  • Mac Virtual Display does not work when your Vision Pro is in Guest Mode.
  • Mac Virtual Display does not support managed Apple IDs.
  • The devices must be no more than 10 meters (32 feet) apart to maintain a connection.
More details about Mac Virtual Display can be found in Apple's Vision Pro User Guide.

Article Link: Apple Vision Pro's Virtual Display Feature Works With Intel Macs, But Limited to 3K Resolution
 
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What is an Intel Mac? 😉

Depending on the model, an Intel Mac is one that had lots of competition for RAM & SSD. So instead of paying 3-5X retail pricing for Apple upgrades, one could buy the base Mac and then load it up at any time with much more internal RAM and storage for relatively dirt cheap. There was a time when Apple made this very easy. But as Apple evolved into AAPL, the pursuit of harvesting every possible nickel made some of this increasingly difficult to impossible with many Macs. The latest move forces all RAM & SSD to be purchased from only a single seller- no competition at all- resulting in 3-5X relative pricing for the same amount of RAM or SSD in PC-land.

Similarly, if RAM or Storage went bad in Intel Macs, some models could facilitate replacing the broken part and continuing to use your Mac. Now, when anything at all conks in a Silicon Mac, you throw the whole thing out and buy another.

Intel Macs could also run full Windows instead of emulated ARM Windows (which is not full Windows), making it the only computer type in the world that could natively run BOTH major platforms in one case (excluding hacks). This also meant that a single computer purchase could run just about ALL of the world's software instead of only a relatively tiny subset of it. This included easy access to AAA games and various gaming platforms on the Window-only side. Those consumers who need Windows but wanted Mac could buy a Mac and get BOTH. Now we're back to if you need Windows, you have to buy a PC unless maybe ARM Windows emulation is good enough.

It generally had a focus on Power vs PPW, so it could generally get computing tasks done faster by using more power... instead of slower while sipping power. The difference in net power usage was marginal as the former would average about a single incandescent light bulb or two's power usage each month, meaning nobody saw any huge difference in an electric bill by opting for PPW over Power. But "we" sure make it sound like it's an Apples to Oranges proposition.

Like Spotify before Apple Music or Google Maps before Apple Maps or the LG 5K monitor before ASD, when Apple was embracing Intel, fans loved Intel Macs. Then when Apple abandoned them, fans turned. Suddenly, there were all these flaws that were left unspoken while Macs depended on them but then were relentlessly spoken when Apple wanted people to buy Silicon. Suddenly laps were "suffering third degree burns", fans were "sounding like jet engines", etc.

Intel cost the so-called "Intel Premium" that Silicon would alleviate, except no pass through savings seemed to appear. Instead, Apple's corporate margin fattened, from the traditional 39%-40% to now around 46%-47%. How long until about HALF of every dollar we pay for Apple stuff is falling into the corporate vaults instead of going directly towards the thing we are buying? Hooray for shareholders! Can consumers get a bone or two?

Intel generally offered annual hardware upgrades and Silicon offered the potential of at least the same, but it didn't work out that way for the latter, while Intel has generally continued with the old, roughly annual pace. "We" blamed that on covid & supply chain, etc and maybe that was the cause... except Intel seemed to roughly stay on the traditional pace of new generations.

Intel Macs offered the ability to connect powerful graphics cards in external boxes while Silicon offers its own graphics and only its graphics... even in Mac Pro. Because of robust competitive forces, an Intel Mac Pro could have a ton of relatively cheap, massive RAM while a Silicon Mac Pro can only max out at a RAM amount of Apple's choosing... at thoroughly exploitive pricing vs. market... as is always the case when there is only a LONE seller of anything.

In short, while I can appreciate my own Silicon Mac and use it every day, we had many great benefits with the prior platform. Silicon offers several advantages but so does Intel. Chief amoung them is Power (and Graphics Card Power) vs. PPW and integrated Apple Graphics. In general, PC will use more power to get computing done FASTER while Silicon will use much less power to get things done slower. On the flip side, the latter can have longer battery life than the typical person can use in a day, while the former can burn through its battery in as little as a few hours if the task is demanding.

We Apple people shifted from a mainstream platform with massive competitive-driven support back to a PowerPC-like silo where all key roads must lead to/through Apple Inc. As objectively as I can assess it, I don't know if the pros fully outweigh the cons unless one chooses to make the pros bigger deals while marginalizing the cons. The vast majority of the world happily runs on PC platforms. Our little bubble now happily runs on Silicon... at a steep relative premium.
 
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Depending on the model, an Intel Mac is one that had lots of competition for RAM & SSD. So instead of paying 3-5X retail pricing for Apple upgrades, one could buy the base Mac and then load it up at any time with much more internal RAM and storage for relatively dirt cheap. There was a time when Apple made this very easy. But as Apple evolved into AAPL, the pursuit of harvesting every possible nickel made some of this increasingly difficult to impossible with many Macs. The latest move forces all RAM & SSD to be purchased from only a single seller- no competition at all- resulting in 3-5X relatively pricing for the same amount of RAM or SSD in PC-land.

Similarly, if RAM or Storage went bad in Intel Macs, some models could facilitate replacing the broken part and continuing to use your Mac. Now, when anything at all conks in a Silicon Mac, you throw the whole thing out and buy another.

Intel Macs could also run full Windows instead of emulated ARM Windows (which is not full Windows), making it the only computer type in the world that could natively run BOTH major platforms in one case (excluding hacks). This also meant that a single computer purchase could run just about ALL of the world's software instead of only a relatively tiny subset of it. This included easy access to AAA games and various gaming platforms on the Window-only side.

It generally had a focus on Power vs PPW, so it could generally get computing tasks done faster by using more power... instead of slower while sipping power. The difference in net power usage was marginal as the former would average about a single incandescent light bulb or two's power usage each month, meaning nobody saw any huge difference in an electric bill by opting for PPW over Power. But "we" sure make it sound like it's an Apples to Oranges proposition.

Like Spotify before Apple Music or Google Maps before Apple Maps, when Apple was embracing Intel, fans loved Intel Macs. Then when Apple abandoned them, fans turned. Suddenly, there were all these flaws that were left unspoken while Macs depended on them but then were relentlessly spoken when Apple wanted people to buy Silicon. Suddenly laps were "suffering third degree burns", fans were "sounding like jet engines", etc.

Intel cost the so-called "Intel Premium" that Silicon would alleviate, except no pass through savings seemed to appear. Instead, Apple's corporate margin fattened, from the traditional 39%-40% to now around 46%-47%. How long until about HALF of every dollar we pay for Apple stuff is falling into the corporate vaults instead of going directly towards the thing we are buying? Hooray for shareholders! Can consumers get a bone or two?

Intel generally offered annual hardware upgrades and Silicon offered the potential of at least the same, but it didn't work out that way for the latter, while Intel has generally continued with the old, roughly annual pace. "We" blamed that on covid & supply chain, etc and maybe that was the cause... except Intel seemed to roughly stay on the traditional pace of new generations.

Intel Macs offered the ability to connect powerful graphics cards in external boxes while Silicon offers its own graphics and only its graphics... even in Mac Pro. Because of robust competitive forces, an Intel Mac Pro could have a ton of relative cheap, massive RAM while a Silicon Mac Pro can only max out at a RAM amount of Apple's choosing... at thoroughly exploitive pricing vs. market... as is always the case when there is only a LONE seller of anything.

In short, while I can appreciate my own Silicon Mac and use it every day, we had many great benefits with the prior platform. Silicon offers several advantages but so does Intel. Chief amoung them is Power (and Graphics Card Power) vs. PPW and integrated Apple Graphics. In general, PC will use more power to get computing done FASTER while Silicon will use much less power to get things done slower. On the flip side, the latter can have longer battery life than the typical person can use in a day, while the former can burn through its battery in as little as a few hours if the task is demanding.

We Apple people shifted from a mainstream platform with massive competitive-driven support back to a PowerPC-like silo where all key roads must lead to/through Apple Inc. As objectively as I can assess it, I don't know if the pros fully outweigh the cons unless one chooses to make the pros bigger deals while marginalizing the cons. The vast majority of the world happily runs on PC platforms. Our little bubble now happily runs on Silicon... at a steep relative premium.
There is no Intel *macbook* that is faster than than the Apple Silicon Macs. The increased power consumption for increased performance is true for Intel’s year over year upgrades, but none of the mobile Intel based Macs are faster than the Apple Silicon in them today.

Your other points are all valid, but this one needed to be clarified. Those chips run so hot in the MacBooks they throttle very quickly, precisely because that era of Intel didn’t deliver (for almost a decade) the TDP envelope their roadmaps promised. They just upped the power consumption yoy.
 
There is no Intel *macbook* that is faster than than the Apple Silicon Macs. The increased power consumption for increased performance is true for Intel’s year over year upgrades, but none of the mobile Intel based Macs are faster than the Apple Silicon in them today.

There is no 2024 Intel MB. Comparing a 2024 chip to a 2020 or older chip is not exactly a fair measure. I'd actually be quite interested in seeing what a 2024 Intel-based MB could do vs. a 2024 Silicon-based MB where the goal was not to make either one the obvious superior choice. I bet Apple could roll out a dazzling 2024 Intel MB if they were motivated to also create one.

Your other points are all valid, but this one needed to be clarified. Those chips run so hot in the MacBooks they throttle very quickly, precisely because that era of Intel didn’t deliver (for almost a decade) the TDP envelope their roadmaps promised. They just upped the power consumption yoy.

Yes, no doubt we can be critical of the Intel platform. I can readily talk about heat and shorter battery life, etc. too. On the other hand, having both full Windows and Mac in one box was tremendous utility for a Working Mac professional who generally NEEDS Windows but wants Mac. Full Windows is full Windows. ARM Windows may or may not work depending on the app. The complete solution now is back to lugging either 2 laptops or buy a Windows laptop (the one typically needed) and use the Mac when you get back to home or office... UNLESS a client or company is Mac centric themselves.
 
There is no 2024 Intel MB. Comparing a 2024 chip to a 2020 or older chip is not exactly a fair measure. I'd actually be quite interested in seeing what a 2024 Intel-based MB could do vs. a 2024 Silicon-based MB where the goal was not to make either one the obvious superior choice. I bet Apple could roll out a dazzling 2024 Intel MB if they were motivated to also create one.



Yes, no doubt we can be critical of the Intel platform. I can readily talk about heat and shorter battery life, etc. too. On the other hand, having both full Windows and Mac in one box was tremendous utility for a Working Mac professional who generally NEEDS Windows but wants Mac. Full Windows is full Windows. ARM Windows may or may not work depending on the app. The complete solution now is back to lugging either 2 laptops or buy a Windows laptop (the one typically needed) and use the Mac when you get back to home or office... UNLESS a client or company is Mac centric themselves.
Oh trust me, I really want the dual boot option, my 2015 MBP is still running strong and my Volvo tools for my car run on the windows 7 install I have on it.
 
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The resolvable resolution for a virtual display is proportional to how much viewing area it takes up in a user's field of view. For most users that is going to be 2K to 3K anyway, not the 4K or 8K some people somehow believe. You may have it set to 4K in settings but it won't be as sharp as a genuine 4K display if the virtual display makes up a small area of the field of view. That's why reviewers are complaining about soft text, etc.
 
Oh trust me, I really want the dual boot option, my 2015 MBP is still running strong and my Volvo tools for my car run on the windows 7 install I have on it.

Hey, I'm still clinging to an Intel MB too... and that's one of the key reasons why.

I've got a Silicon Mac running my desktop... but opted for a third party 5K monitor with more than one video input... and one of the other inputs is used by the first desktop PC I've purchased in about 20+ years. Essentially, just as it was with PowerPC Macs, I'm back to old fashioned bootcamp in the form of an actual PC. When I need faster processing and apps I've traditionally used on Intel Macs are available for PC, I often run them on that PC instead.

IMO: it was a great run when we could have the best of both worlds in one case. And, of course, for those with no need for Windows, Silicon is a much better proposition... albeit with the $henanigan$ with RAM & storage pricing.

I was ready to replace the old Intel MB with that 15" MB air on launch day... until I configured it as I wanted it and pricing was just $tupid... beyond the traditional "Apple premium." That froze that purchase and ultimately I opted to buy a $55 battery for the old Intel one and squeeze a few more years out of it instead. Curiously, I'm back to about 8 hours battery life again, which is technically a "full time" work day.

macOS is obsoleting it so I'm marching towards a replacement anyway. However, now I'm considering a PC laptop for "on the road" (most clients are Windows-centric) vs. paying way, WAY up for a Silicon MB. Do what I can do when away from office on PC, then polish/finish/save some things for Mac when I return? I can hardly believe I'm having such thoughts but I am indeed.
 
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I have the same question…

I do wonder though if the boot process doesn't need a screen to be connected.
No need for a display under normal circumstances. I do use 4k HDMI "dummy plugs" on my headless servers, though, so when screen sharing with them, I get a consistently "large" viewing area with windows and icons staying put between sessions.
Macs also don't need a keyboard or mouse attached: Go to Settings>Bluetooth>Advanced to disable the default behavior.
 
Hey, I'm still clinging to an Intel MB too... and that's one of the key reasons why.

I've got a Silicon Mac running my desktop... but opted for a third party 5K monitor with more than one video input... and one of the other inputs is used by the first desktop PC I've purchased in about 20+ years. Essentially, just as it was with PowerPC Macs, I'm back to old fashioned bootcamp in the form of an actual PC. When I need faster processing and apps I've traditionally used on Intel Macs are available for PC, I often run them on that PC instead.

IMO: it was a great run when we could have the best of both worlds in one case. And, of course, for those with no need for Windows, Silicon is a much better proposition... albeit with the $henanigan$ with RAM & storage pricing.

I was ready to replace the old Intel MB with that 15" MB air on launch day... until I configured it as I wanted it and pricing was just $tupid... beyond the traditional "Apple premium." That froze that purchase and ultimately I opted to buy a $55 battery for the old Intel one and squeeze a few more years out of it instead. Curiously, I'm back to about 8 hours battery life again, which is technically a "full time" work day.

macOS is obsoleting it so I'm marching towards a replacement anyway. However, now I'm considering a PC laptop for "on the road" (most clients are Windows-centric) vs. paying way, WAY up for a Silicon MB. Do what I can do when away from office on PC, then polish/finish/save some things for Mac when I return? I can hardly believe I'm having such thoughts but I am indeed.
Tbh I really don’t care about the markup because I keep my machines forever. I spent more in 2015 to have 16GB or RAM. 8 years later, still does what I was using it for (though truthfully my work X13 is my primary computer).

Given I rarely upgrade my devices and downcycle them for other uses, when I finally get around to getting a new MBP I’ll spend the cash for the 32GB option (36gb now I think?) and just live with it for well over a decade 🤷‍♂️
 
The immersive video is incredible, but blurrier than regular videos. Anyone know what kind of resolution the actual videos are recorded in? It seems to be less than the pixel density of the display itself.
The first thing I noticed with the immersive videos is how blurry everything looked. It is a cool experience. The Alicia Keys studio video felt almost intimate. But they all lacked sharpness.
 
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Depending on the model, an Intel Mac is one that had lots of competition for RAM & SSD. So instead of paying 3-5X retail pricing for Apple upgrades, one could buy the base Mac and then load it up at any time with much more internal RAM and storage for relatively dirt cheap. There was a time when Apple made this very easy. But as Apple evolved into AAPL, the pursuit of harvesting every possible nickel made some of this increasingly difficult to impossible with many Macs. The latest move forces all RAM & SSD to be purchased from only a single seller- no competition at all- resulting in 3-5X relative pricing for the same amount of RAM or SSD in PC-land.

Similarly, if RAM or Storage went bad in Intel Macs, some models could facilitate replacing the broken part and continuing to use your Mac. Now, when anything at all conks in a Silicon Mac, you throw the whole thing out and buy another.

Intel Macs could also run full Windows instead of emulated ARM Windows (which is not full Windows), making it the only computer type in the world that could natively run BOTH major platforms in one case (excluding hacks). This also meant that a single computer purchase could run just about ALL of the world's software instead of only a relatively tiny subset of it. This included easy access to AAA games and various gaming platforms on the Window-only side. Those consumers who need Windows but wanted Mac could buy a Mac and get BOTH. Now we're back to if you need Windows, you have to buy a PC unless maybe ARM Windows emulation is good enough.

It generally had a focus on Power vs PPW, so it could generally get computing tasks done faster by using more power... instead of slower while sipping power. The difference in net power usage was marginal as the former would average about a single incandescent light bulb or two's power usage each month, meaning nobody saw any huge difference in an electric bill by opting for PPW over Power. But "we" sure make it sound like it's an Apples to Oranges proposition.

Like Spotify before Apple Music or Google Maps before Apple Maps or the LG 5K monitor before ASD, when Apple was embracing Intel, fans loved Intel Macs. Then when Apple abandoned them, fans turned. Suddenly, there were all these flaws that were left unspoken while Macs depended on them but then were relentlessly spoken when Apple wanted people to buy Silicon. Suddenly laps were "suffering third degree burns", fans were "sounding like jet engines", etc.

Intel cost the so-called "Intel Premium" that Silicon would alleviate, except no pass through savings seemed to appear. Instead, Apple's corporate margin fattened, from the traditional 39%-40% to now around 46%-47%. How long until about HALF of every dollar we pay for Apple stuff is falling into the corporate vaults instead of going directly towards the thing we are buying? Hooray for shareholders! Can consumers get a bone or two?

Intel generally offered annual hardware upgrades and Silicon offered the potential of at least the same, but it didn't work out that way for the latter, while Intel has generally continued with the old, roughly annual pace. "We" blamed that on covid & supply chain, etc and maybe that was the cause... except Intel seemed to roughly stay on the traditional pace of new generations.

Intel Macs offered the ability to connect powerful graphics cards in external boxes while Silicon offers its own graphics and only its graphics... even in Mac Pro. Because of robust competitive forces, an Intel Mac Pro could have a ton of relatively cheap, massive RAM while a Silicon Mac Pro can only max out at a RAM amount of Apple's choosing... at thoroughly exploitive pricing vs. market... as is always the case when there is only a LONE seller of anything.

In short, while I can appreciate my own Silicon Mac and use it every day, we had many great benefits with the prior platform. Silicon offers several advantages but so does Intel. Chief amoung them is Power (and Graphics Card Power) vs. PPW and integrated Apple Graphics. In general, PC will use more power to get computing done FASTER while Silicon will use much less power to get things done slower. On the flip side, the latter can have longer battery life than the typical person can use in a day, while the former can burn through its battery in as little as a few hours if the task is demanding.

We Apple people shifted from a mainstream platform with massive competitive-driven support back to a PowerPC-like silo where all key roads must lead to/through Apple Inc. As objectively as I can assess it, I don't know if the pros fully outweigh the cons unless one chooses to make the pros bigger deals while marginalizing the cons. The vast majority of the world happily runs on PC platforms. Our little bubble now happily runs on Silicon... at a steep relative premium.
Apple Silicon Macs are far better than their Intel predecessors. Especially the laptops. Performance is significantly improved and the battery life is so much longer than an Intel laptop.
Intel's processor development program slowed significantly in the years before Macs moved to Silicon. Apple's processors have been updated every year since its release.
Your only valid point in that the Intel Mac Pro could take many types of 3rd party cards. Since that was less than 1% of Apple's sales, it's not surprising that Apple has focused on consumer Macs. I don't like Apple's RAM pricing but Macs are still better value for money than any comparable PC.
 
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