Are you happy with your 2017 ntb/tb Macbook Pro?

[SoApple]

I'm currently looking for a new computer. My 2011 Macbook Air died a week ago. I'm starting my masters program in September but find myself needing a laptop more than I thought I did. My iPhone isn't enough and I can't stand using my PC with Windows 10.

There's 250+ pages sticky post with people waiting out on the next macbook pro. I think the consensus is to probably wait. Secondly, most people who post on this forum usually tend to post their frustration rather than their content of the product.

I wanted to know how many of you guys/girls are happy with your 2017 tp or ntb macbook pro. There's a sale at a local store tomorrow and they're discounting the macbook pro ntb 256 by $200.

Alas, is the touchbar + 2 extra usb-c ports really worth the extra $300?

Thanks

 

[jksu]

i like my 2016 13” ntb mbp. but i’ve had the keyboard replaced once. but now that the repair program is announced, you have at least 4 years of not worrying about it. so go for it

 

[reychop]

Quite happy with my touchbar one. But if you want to go for the non touchbar, a usb hub is a much needed accessory. The only perceived benefit from the multiple ports is that I am free to choose which side I am going to charge my macbook in. And I'm assuming that I am in the minority when I say, I rearranged my room constantly so the freedom to choose where you want to charge your mac probably isn't useful for a majority of app user. If you have a hub, which you'll be getting anyway if you need the hdmi and usb a ports, the ports in the non toucbar will suffice.

I also heard that the non touchbar has a bigger battery. And may last longer. I only have 7 to 8 hours of estimated battery time on mine and that's with brightness at 50% and turbo boost disabled with an app.

 

[Nbd1790]

I have a 15 inch BTO full spec (2016) The design is great - the keyboard is a bit strange but you get used to it. The USB-C scenario is currently a nightmare. It sounds simple enough. Buy adapters and you should be fine, but it's actually quite aggravating. Never thought about how much it would bother me until I actually found myself in scenarios traveling and had to get my hands on a particular adapter that I forgot or didn't already own.

If your main intention is to use it for a personal computer it's not as bad - but if you're in the media industry it's very inconvenient. As I've mentioned in other forums, get your hands on a used 2015 model and you'll be much happier regardless. (Just FYI, I also own a 2013 MBP and can hardly notice a difference in speed when it comes to Audio apps and photo apps)

As far as the extra USB-C ports, def go for one with the 4 ports.

 

[eulslix]

Just sold my top spec 15" MBP 2017 after roughly half a year. Best decision I've made since a long time.

I have a 2013 rMB at home, a device I really learned to love: reliable, beautiful, robust. Contrary to the new MBP. Over all the months, I constantly needed to treat it like a princess, afraid of any food, liquids, dirt coming even remotely close to it. This thing feels like a child with butterfly disease. That's probably also the reason why the keyboard is called this way.
Despite my best efforts to keep any kind of food far away from my MBP, keeping it in it's cover whenever not used, the keyboard still would fail on me on a regular basis. Sometimes a corner of the space bar wouldn't react, sometimes a key would stop working for a day and some keys just wouldn't work anymore as on day 1.

The touchbar is a joke. Some companies like Affinity kind of got there, but it still remains mostly useless, but even worse, buggy. It would crash countless times, leaving me without the escape keys and system controls. That's a pretty ****** tradeoff for the lack of haptic feedback. I never found any justification for the bigger touchpad.

Now all of this came with a hardware configuration that is basically 2 years behind the competition, with the exception of the screen which was excellent. The GPU is basically useless outside of the MacBook ecosystem, as most professional software seems to be focused on nVIDIA GPUs.
The battery lifetime on this thing is roughly half of my 5 years old rMBP, I'm not kidding.

And to top all of this off, the software side of the Mac generally shifts heavily towards consumers (dynamic backgrounds wtf), leaving important bugs and potential productivity features out of the equation.

Bottom line: This whole thing is just a bad joke, overpriced piece of junk. I hated on my Dell laptop from work through all these years, but once I tried the premium laptops from Microsoft etc. I realized how good the competition actually is, how ignorant I was. It kind of feels like these notebooks are from an alien race compared to the Macbook.

It's a shame. Considering how good of a product the iPad is (which I probably buy on top of a Windows Laptop), the Mac systems feel like they were abandoned years ago. Which might actually be the case...

 

[Nbd1790]

Just sold my top spec 15" MBP 2017 after roughly half a year. Best decision I've made since a long time.

I have a 2013 rMB at home, a device I really learned to love: reliable, beautiful, robust. Contrary to the new MBP. Over all the months, I constantly needed to treat it like a princess, afraid of any food, liquids, dirt coming even remotely close to it. This thing feels like a child with butterfly disease. That's probably also the reason why the keyboard is called this way.
Despite my best efforts to keep any kind of food far away from my MBP, keeping it in it's cover whenever not used, the keyboard still would fail on me on a regular basis. Sometimes a corner of the space bar wouldn't react, sometimes a key would stop working for a day and some keys just wouldn't work anymore as on day 1.

The touchbar is a joke. Some companies like Affinity kind of got there, but it still remains mostly useless, but even worse, buggy. It would crash countless times, leaving me without the escape keys and system controls. That's a pretty ****** tradeoff for the lack of haptic feedback. I never found any justification for the bigger touchpad.

Now this all came with a hardware configuration that is basically 2 years behind the competition, with the exception of the screen which was excellent. The battery lifetime on this thing is worse roughly half of that of my 5 years old rMBP.

And to top all of this off, the software side of the Mac generally shifts heavily towards consumers, leaving important bugs and potential productivity features out of the equation.

Bottom line: This whole thing is just a bad joke, overpriced piece of junk. I hated on my Windows work laptop all the time, but once I tried the premium laptop from Microsoft etc. I realized how good the competition actually is, how ignorant I was. It kind of feels like these notebooks are from an alien race compared to the Macbook.

It's a shame. Considering how good of a product the iPad is (which I probably buy on top of a Windows Laptop), the Mac systems feel like they were abandoned years ago. Which might actually be the case...

Just curious to know, what percentage or dollar value did you get of the MSRP of your MacBook back that you sold and where did you sell it?

I’m honestly considering doing the same and picking up a used 2015 model with dedicated graphics.

 

[eulslix]

Just curious to know, what percentage or dollar value did you get of the MSRP of your MacBook back that you sold and where did you sell it?

I’m honestly considering doing the same and picking up a used 2015 model with dedicated graphics.

I got 85% back, had to bargain a little bit. But if you are more patient I'm confident you could get like 90% out of it

 

[SoApple]

Just sold my top spec 15" MBP 2017 after roughly half a year. Best decision I've made since a long time.

I have a 2013 rMB at home, a device I really learned to love: reliable, beautiful, robust. Contrary to the new MBP. Over all the months, I constantly needed to treat it like a princess, afraid of any food, liquids, dirt coming even remotely close to it. This thing feels like a child with butterfly disease. That's probably also the reason why the keyboard is called this way.
Despite my best efforts to keep any kind of food far away from my MBP, keeping it in it's cover whenever not used, the keyboard still would fail on me on a regular basis. Sometimes a corner of the space bar wouldn't react, sometimes a key would stop working for a day and some keys just wouldn't work anymore as on day 1.

The touchbar is a joke. Some companies like Affinity kind of got there, but it still remains mostly useless, but even worse, buggy. It would crash countless times, leaving me without the escape keys and system controls. That's a pretty ****** tradeoff for the lack of haptic feedback. I never found any justification for the bigger touchpad.

Now all of this came with a hardware configuration that is basically 2 years behind the competition, with the exception of the screen which was excellent. The GPU is basically useless outside of the MacBook ecosystem, as most professional software seems to be focused on nVIDIA GPUs.
The battery lifetime on this thing is roughly half of my 5 years old rMBP, I'm not kidding.

And to top all of this off, the software side of the Mac generally shifts heavily towards consumers (dynamic backgrounds wtf), leaving important bugs and potential productivity features out of the equation.

Bottom line: This whole thing is just a bad joke, overpriced piece of junk. I hated on my Dell laptop from work through all these years, but once I tried the premium laptops from Microsoft etc. I realized how good the competition actually is, how ignorant I was. It kind of feels like these notebooks are from an alien race compared to the Macbook.

It's a shame. Considering how good of a product the iPad is (which I probably buy on top of a Windows Laptop), the Mac systems feel like they were abandoned years ago. Which might actually be the case...

Thanks for the reply. Have you had any issues with the keyboard? Or any other reliability issues?
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I have a 15 inch BTO full spec (2016) The design is great - the keyboard is a bit strange but you get used to it. The USB-C scenario is currently a nightmare. It sounds simple enough. Buy adapters and you should be fine, but it's actually quite aggravating. Never thought about how much it would bother me until I actually found myself in scenarios traveling and had to get my hands on a particular adapter that I forgot or didn't already own.

If your main intention is to use it for a personal computer it's not as bad - but if you're in the media industry it's very inconvenient. As I've mentioned in other forums, get your hands on a used 2015 model and you'll be much happier regardless. (Just FYI, I also own a 2013 MBP and can hardly notice a difference in speed when it comes to Audio apps and photo apps)

As far as the extra USB-C ports, def go for one with the 4 ports.

Can you justify $550 extra for the touchbar model + 2 extra usb-c keys over the traditional f keys?
Thats the current price difference between tb 256gb and ntb 256gb.

 

[jksu]

instead of getting the touchbar (and 2 extra usb ports) i paid for a ntb 13” with a 512gb ssd. get a small portable usb-c hub and you should be fine

 

[SoApple]

instead of getting the touchbar (and 2 extra usb ports) i paid for a ntb 13” with a 512gb ssd. get a small portable usb-c hub and you should be fine

Awesome thanks. Which usb-c hub did you get?

 

[Nbd1790]

Thanks for the reply. Have you had any issues with the keyboard? Or any other reliability issues?
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Can you justify $550 extra for the touchbar model + 2 extra usb-c keys over the traditional f keys?
Thats the current price difference between tb 256gb and ntb 256gb.

It depends on what you intend to use the computer for. I'm on the go a lot and deal with a bunch of different adapters / cables and really place a high value on ports. I also plug in to a home studio with dual monitors, audio interface midi devices etc. So in my scenario, yes I would justify the $500 for the extra two USB-C ports as well as a more powerful processor in general.

Again, it depends on what your intentions are. If you don't use a lot of external devices, the two ports might be more manageable for you. If your primary use is on the go, I've heard that the nTB model gets significantly better battery life. The touch bar I could honestly care less for as I don't really use it that much (just for volume or brightness really) BUT there is a setting where you can have it display function keys all the time. (not that its the same as traditional function keys, but it will at least act like they are)

 

[Acronyc]

I have a ntb 2016 MBP that I'm very happy with. I got it in November 2016, use it a lot every day and have had zero issues with it.

I haven't had one problem with the keyboard. After about a year I started docking it at the office with an external keyboard/mouse combination, so maybe that has helped with the longevity (less use), but I still use it a lot and haven't had any keyboard problems.

Actually, I haven't had any problems with this MBP at all, which is better than my first experience with my now sold 2012 rMBP. For that machine I had a bad battery out of the box and my replacement developed image retention six months later. Apple addressed all of this quickly without any problems, but I've had fewer problems with my 2016 than I had with my 2012.

When I bought it I decided to up the storage to 512GB and RAM to 16GB so I'm hoping I will get four years out of it at least, like I did with my 2012. I have Apple Care, but the keyboard service program finally initiated makes me feel a lot better should anything come up.

 

[eulslix]

Thanks for the reply. Have you had any issues with the keyboard? Or any other reliability issues?

As I mentioned, the keyboard is a mess. I'll give you one advice: Don't trust anybody here who hasn't tried this thing for at least half a year. I've been one of these guys myself, who posted here after a couple of weeks how awesome the new MBP is, that there's no issues and that everybody claiming having a faulty MBP sounds troll-like. Not that smart, as my MBP went gradually down the drain ever since.

It's in the long term where this device just sucks. The keyboard is completely unreliable. I would say 5 of my keys wouldn't recover anymore, feeling mushy, which to me makes a big difference in writing confidence, since I'm often not sure whether I really hit the key. Then some of the keys, as said, would just stop working for a day. Sometimes I had to blow into the keyboard to fix a key, as it wouldn't work anymore (especially the arrow keys seem to be sensible here, which are critical for effective text navigation). And when I went to the Apple Store, so that they would do their ****** air can thing for a couple of sec, they said they can't take any customers and the next appointments are in a couple of days.
I just don't have the time to plan my working days around apple, in order to use my keyboard. And this thing will fail over and over again, as numerous people reported and probably will in the future (as the design probably won't be changed)

Aside from that, I can't say much about reliability. The notebook gets really hot sometimes. As far as I've seen from reviews, the CPU doesn't seem to be quite comfortable with the thin design, so that might lead to overheating over years.
The touchbar sometimes would stop working, so there's that.

Also, the new design is much much less sturdy then the old one. You can literally bend the bottom part of the MacBook like a can of coke. It's ridiculous. Nothing compared to the old ones. Also the ventillation holes attract dust and will become very apparently dirty, no matter what you do. Also at the bottom, even though I was treating my MBP like a princess, part of the filtering for the ventilation started to get loose, probably due to poor glue.

All in all, this machine doesn't speak at all for it's price tag. Is it a good machine? Sure. But is it worth it's money? No, not at all. I'm not talking about cheaping out on Apple because of blabla people are sheep. No! I'm purely talking about build quality and performance. And this machine doesn't even closely match it's pricetag. Maybe rather if it was half the price, seriously!

 

[macsimcon]

I have the TB, and it's really a mixed bag.

The SSD is really fast, and so even with twelve applications running all day (including Chrome and Firefox, each with over 75 tabs open at any one time), the system is fast, with nary a spinning beachball in sight. The display is great, I love unlocking the laptop with my Apple Watch or Touch ID, and the trackpad is good. Having four USB-C ports gives me the flexibility to burn two discs at once, or have multiple Thunderbolt or Ethernet connections at once, or have multiple flash drives connected if necessary.

But...I had to spend hundreds of dollars on a desktop dock, two portable docks, adapters, and cables. Two of the USB-C ports are loosening up so when I attach USB-C cables or peripherals they aren't always seen by the system; sometimes I have to disconnect and reattach. And even when I do get the MBP to see them, they will randomly and frequently disconnect. My MBP is still under warranty, so I'll need to take it in so the logic board can be replaced.

The keyboard is awful: I can't type accurately on it. I routinely transpose two letters I'm trying to type, and it hurts my fingers to type on it for long periods. Worse, my typing speed has slowed way down as I have to type more deliberately to ensure the keystroke is recognized. I've never had any problem with any of Apple's other keyboards. I've already had this one replaced once for two dead keys, and now the replacement is starting to fail to recognize keys sometimes.

Of course, when you send the laptop into the Depot, they wipe the drive, which is really annoying when you have 1.7 TB of data on the SSD and have to copy everything back from one of your clones. I'm sure they'll do the same stupid thing when I have to send this laptop in for the logic board replacement.

This computer sells for over $4,300 and should be just about perfect. But it's not. Apple didn't put more antennae in the thing, so the wireless speed is slower than it should be. I still can't get a laptop from them with 32 GB of memory, and the Radeon Pro 560 isn't that impressive.

It's the fastest Mac laptop I can get, so that's just the way things go. Still, we have to lease another one because I can't be without this laptop for a week again while Apple makes yet another repair which shouldn't have ever been necessary. I shouldn't have to give Apple over $8,500 just to get a reliable product, but I do.

And even when it comes back from Texas, it will still have the same substandard keyboard.

 

[Acronyc]

As I mentioned, the keyboard is a mess. I'll give you one advice: Don't trust anybody here who hasn't tried this thing for at least half a year. I've been one of these guys myself, who posted here after a couple of weeks how awesome the new MBP is, that there's no issues and that everybody claiming having a faulty MBP sounds troll-like. Not that smart, as my MBP went gradually down the drain ever since.

It's in the long term where this device just sucks. The keyboard is completely unreliable. I would say 5 of my keys wouldn't recover anymore, feeling mushy, which to me makes a big difference in writing confidence, since I'm often not sure whether I really hit the key. Then some of the keys, as said, would just stop working for a day. Sometimes I had to blow into the keyboard to fix a key, as it wouldn't work anymore (especially the arrow keys seem to be sensible here, which are critical for effective text navigation). And when I went to the Apple Store, so that they would do their ****** air can thing for a couple of sec, they said they can't take any customers and the next appointments are in a couple of days.
I just don't have the time to plan my working days around apple, in order to use my keyboard. And this thing will fail over and over again, as numerous people reported and probably will in the future (as the design probably won't be changed)

Aside from that, I can't say much about reliability. The notebook gets really hot sometimes. As far as I've seen from reviews, the CPU doesn't seem to be quite comfortable with the thin design, so that might lead to overheating over years.
The touchbar sometimes would stop working, so there's that.

Also, the new design is much much less sturdy then the old one. You can literally bend the bottom part of the MacBook like a can of coke. It's ridiculous. Nothing compared to the old ones. Also the ventillation holes attract dust and will become very apparently dirty, no matter what you do. Also at the bottom, even though I was treating my MBP like a princess, part of the filtering for the ventilation started to get loose, probably due to poor glue.

All in all, this machine doesn't speak at all for it's price tag. Is it a good machine? Sure. But is it worth it's money? No, not at all. I'm not talking about cheaping out on Apple because of blabla people are sheep. No! I'm purely talking about build quality and performance. And this machine doesn't even closely match it's pricetag. Maybe rather if it was half the price, seriously!

Wow, your MBP has a lot of problems. It’s strange how some users have had many problems while others have had few or none.

I’ve had my 2016 nTB MBP for 1 year and 7 months. I have experienced none of the issues as you have. Mine still works as brand new.

Hope you get a computer that serves your purposes and meets your expectations better.

 

[eulslix]

Wow, your MBP has a lot of problems. It’s strange how some users have had many problems while others have had few or none.

I’ve had my 2016 nTB MBP for 1 year and 7 months. I have experienced none of the issues as you have. Mine still works as brand new.

Hope you get a computer that serves your purposes and meets your expectations better.

I ordered a Surface Book 15, after playing around with it in a store for an hour. I really liked it, but from what I've read inthe internet it might be the same hit and miss as with the new MBP. Also Microsofts service doesn't seem to be up to the task. Well, I'm holding my fingers crossed. The device in the store certainly made me fall in love with it , exactly what I need right now.

Other than that I really can't find anything that fits my profile.

 

[SoApple]

I have the TB, and it's really a mixed bag.

The SSD is really fast, and so even with twelve applications running all day (including Chrome and Firefox, each with over 75 tabs open at any one time), the system is fast, with nary a spinning beachball in sight. The display is great, I love unlocking the laptop with my Apple Watch or Touch ID, and the trackpad is good. Having four USB-C ports gives me the flexibility to burn two discs at once, or have multiple Thunderbolt or Ethernet connections at once, or have multiple flash drives connected if necessary.

But...I had to spend hundreds of dollars on a desktop dock, two portable docks, adapters, and cables. Two of the USB-C ports are loosening up so when I attach USB-C cables or peripherals they aren't always seen by the system; sometimes I have to disconnect and reattach. And even when I do get the MBP to see them, they will randomly and frequently disconnect. My MBP is still under warranty, so I'll need to take it in so the logic board can be replaced.

The keyboard is awful: I can't type accurately on it. I routinely transpose two letters I'm trying to type, and it hurts my fingers to type on it for long periods. Worse, my typing speed has slowed way down as I have to type more deliberately to ensure the keystroke is recognized. I've never had any problem with any of Apple's other keyboards. I've already had this one replaced once for two dead keys, and now the replacement is starting to fail to recognize keys sometimes.

Of course, when you send the laptop into the Depot, they wipe the drive, which is really annoying when you have 1.7 TB of data on the SSD and have to copy everything back from one of your clones. I'm sure they'll do the same stupid thing when I have to send this laptop in for the logic board replacement.

This computer sells for over $4,300 and should be just about perfect. But it's not. Apple didn't put more antennae in the thing, so the wireless speed is slower than it should be. I still can't get a laptop from them with 32 GB of memory, and the Radeon Pro 560 isn't that impressive.

It's the fastest Mac laptop I can get, so that's just the way things go. Still, we have to lease another one because I can't be without this laptop for a week again while Apple makes yet another repair which shouldn't have ever been necessary. I shouldn't have to give Apple over $8,500 just to get a reliable product, but I do.

And even when it comes back from Texas, it will still have the same substandard keyboard.

Ouch. I hope I don’t get that experience. I spoke with one of my friends who works at the genius bar and he says he sees this problem quiet often. The two other techs said it rarely happens...

So I pulled the trigger on the 2017/256gb tb model. Buying a new mac was the only way apple would attempt to recover data from a vintage macbook air. If i’m not happy with it, i’ll probably return it.

 

[Painter2002]

Ouch. I hope I don’t get that experience. I spoke with one of my friends who works at the genius bar and he says he sees this problem quiet often. The two other techs

So I pulled the trigger on the 2017/256gb tb model. Buying a new mac was the only way apple would attempt to recover data from a vintage macbook air. If i’m not happy with it, i’ll probably return it.

I bought this exact model about 6 months ago and I love it! I have had no hardware issues (keyboard or other) in the six months I’ve had this computer and overall it’s been great to me. Best of luck and hope you have fun with your new computer!

 

[glhiii]

For me the only new MacBook worth considering is the MacBook itself, not the MacBook Pro. The good thing about the MacBook is that it's so light and portable -- and for some reason, the keyboard of the 2017 MB does not seem to have as many issues as the MBP. Obviously it's not the machine to use for video editing or the like, but for everyday things it's as good as anything else and wonderfully easy to take places. If you need an MBP, my advice is to get the 2015 version, which is arguably the best portable Apple has made.

 

[Painter2002]

For me the only new MacBook worth considering is the MacBook itself, not the MacBook Pro. The good thing about the MacBook is that it's so light and portable -- and for some reason, the keyboard of the 2017 MB does not seem to have as many issues as the MBP. Obviously it's not the machine to use for video editing or the like, but for everyday things it's as good as anything else and wonderfully easy to take places. If you need an MBP, my advice is to get the 2015 version, which is arguably the best portable Apple has made.

I’d possibly argue that the issue with the keyboards on the MacBook aren’t any less than the MacBook Pro. I think it’s possible that we simply hear less about those issues than the MacBook Pro, simply because people who’ve dropped $2,000-3,000 on a machine are likely to raise more hell about an issue like the keyboard, than someone who spent $1000-1200 on a machine. Also people tend to use MacBook Pros for heavy tasks that generate more heat, which has been suggested as a reason for the key failures.

Personally I suggest getting the MacBook Pro. In the end it will last longer than the MacBook, and the non-Touchbar version is actually only $100 more than the MacBook. The more powerful processor will serve you better down the road as technology advances and basic tasks such as browsing safari require more “oomph”.

 

[ssmed]

The keyboard is a fail. I have to use compressed air twice weekly

 

[Jimmy Mac]

I am a Graphic Designer and have used a 13” MBP with TB for the last year, provided by work. Previously I had the 2015 model, for a similar amount of time. I’ve used both machines in a professional studio environment (almost always hooked up to work from monitors).

Last week, I decided to go freelance and choosing which laptop to buy was an easy choice for me... it was the mid-2015 model, no question. Here’s why:

- The port situation on the new MacBook is ridiculously annoying. Like REALLY, REALLY annoying. Ended up with all sorts of adaptors and dongles hanging out of the machine, for various situations. On the older models, you have everything you need... right there. Now, everything needs some kind of adaptor or new cable type. You can try the hubs, but I had incredibly mixed results with those - especially connecting to displays

- The touchbar is a GIMMICK. If you connect to external monitors, it renders it absolutely pointless - you will NEVER touch it. If you work on the laptop, it offers very little benefit... detrimental in some cases. Having a contextual tool available to press is no different than pressing a keybind and really involves moving your eyes off the screen to see what options are available. I could understand on a consumer grade laptop having something like this might be plausible, but surely a MBP is more aimed toward customers using the machine professionally and these people will be faster with key binds and/or working off an external screen anyway

- The keyboard is horrible. Looks nice, but feels awful. It’s so flat, I found it more like typing on an iPad or something. Accidental key presses galore. Give me the more tactile, elevated keys any day.

- I found a maxed out 13” MBPtb to be more sluggish and prone to crashing than a basic MBP 2015. Crazy right!? Take this with a pinch of salt, because it is just my experience, but I can tell you that’s exactly what it was like. The newer model just seemed to be a bit dodgy

So, as you can probably tell, I really hate the newer MBP’s. I think Apple is starting to disappear up it’s own ass. I think in the past, they were able to not be led by consumer needs, because Steve Jobs had an incredible ability to define needs that people didn’t even realise they had. These days, they have retained the arrogance to tread their own path, but have lost that brilliant vision, insight and empathy that made their products so groundbreaking and alluring.

 

[Polymorphic]

I sold my 6 month-old maxed out 15” 2017 MacBook Pro this week, and it feels good to be rid of it.

I never adjusted to the keyboard, the Touch Bar was useless, the decrease in battery life over my 2013 MBP was unacceptable, and the dongle hell was wearisome.

This machine was never a pleasure to use in any regard, to the point that I was willing to take a $1,300 bath to move on.

 

[robvas]

TouchBar is useless but I like everything else

 

[MrGunnyPT]

Quite happy with my 17 ProTB.

Base model is really weak due to the power throttle..