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After the disappointing "media event" today, I was a little disillusioned with the products Apple has been releasing lately. Rather mediocre by traditional Apple standards. I hope April 1st surprises us all...

However, there are some companies who are still very innovative, namely Volkswagen. Here's some news from today:

Volkswagen Polo BlueMotion
Wolfsburg / Geneva, March 2006. In a world premier at the Geneva Auto Salon, Volkswagen presents the extremely economic Polo BlueMotion. Performance: 59 kW / 80 hp: Average consumption: 3.9 liter (60 mpg) diesel.
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A 60 mpg diesel? I'll take one! Here's another story from not too long ago:

Volkswagen Golf GT TSI - Supercharged and Turbocharged 1.4l
Wolfsburg, 29 August 2005 - At the International Motor Show (Cars) in Frankfurt, Volkswagen is presenting to the general public a ground-breaking innovation in the drive sector: The world’s first twin-turbocharged FSI engine – the “Twincharger”. The compact 1.4 litre direct-injection engine develops up to 125 kW / 170 PS and has a maximum torque of 240 newton metres in the range from 1750 to 4500 rpm thanks to the combination of an exhaust turbocharger with a mechanically driven compressor.
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170 HP, 180 ft-lbs torque, and it gets 48 mpg highway?! :eek:

-RendIt
 
They sell 60 kW Toyota Echo hatchbacks in Australia that can barely make it up the mountain (although even larger cars have trouble with this one, so fair enough). My 74 kW hatchback is OK at going up this same mountain with 1-3 people in it.

Unless you only drive in areas where there is flat land, I can't imagine owning a 59 kW car.

On the other hand, that Golf GT sounds like a real treat. :)
 
Abstract said:
They sell 60 kW Toyota Echo hatchbacks in Australia that can barely make it up the mountain (although even larger cars have trouble with this one, so fair enough). My 74 kW hatchback is OK at going up this same mountain with 1-3 people in it.

Unless you only drive in areas where there is flat land, I can't imagine owning a 59 kW car.

On the other hand, that Golf GT sounds like a real treat. :)
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but the problem with those is torque not power, most diesel engines really shine on the torque figures in this case 190nm, a Toyota echo probably doesn't top 120, that is why the perfomance on hills is terrible (a similar reason most tractors are diesel, pulling power)
 
I can't wait until diesel engines are available here.

I was reading about the Toyota Hilux (Tacoma) that are sold around the world today and would pay a premium to have one of those common rails in mine.

Volkswagen are making some great products lately, though most of them seem to be only for Europe. Volkswagen does not sell trucks stateside though.

I know that the Tundra is destined to get a diesel in the next few years, but it is designed for the commercial users, not people who enjoy the benefits of a smaller truck.

The Jeep Liberty offers a diesel, but I have read that it is nothing special. The Liberty does not offer an open bed either, which is invaluable for my needs.

Volkswagen would do well if they were among the first to bring diesel engines to a wider variety of the vehicles they sell here already. It would make the Toureg a lot more competitive than it is now.
 
mkrishnan said:
Aren't the current small VW diesels already in the high 50s? Or is this a different metric that's more of a combined city/highway? Or am I smoking crack? :eek:
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You'll note in the article that the previous Polo TDI versions got low 50's (53 mpg). In the states, we don't have the Polo. But, the smallest diesel VWs here, the Golf or Beetle TDIs get around 44 mpg highway. So yeah, not a huge improvement, but 7 mpg is still a 13% increase. If nothing else, it shows what a few small tweaks on various components of the car can do. Better use of the turbo, improved exhaust recirc., reduced inertia in the drivetrain, etc. could be done by any car manufacturer on most of their models to increase gas mileage. Do they (the big three) do it? Not so much.

Also note that the CO2 emissions have been reduced as well. In response to Abstract, the average 60kW gasoline engine has about 80 or 90 ft-lbs of torque. This BlueMotion would have 140 ft-lbs, plenty to get up a moderate climb in normal time. Edit: Barneygumble already got this one.

-RendIt
 
barneygumble said:
but the problem with those is torque not power, most diesel engines really shine on the torque figures in this case 190nm, a Toyota echo probably doesn't top 120, that is why the perfomance on hills is terrible (a similar reason most tractors are diesel, pulling power)
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Oh yeah, forgot to mention that the Echo also has s***ty torque. :p

This car doesn't fare much better, although it IS better......good enough to get up a hill.

Les Kern said:
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: SmartCar.
I'm on the list.
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For shame, Les. For shame.
 
clayj said:
If you get in an accident in one of those, they don't use the Jaws of Life to get you out... they use a can opener.
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that aside in crash tests the smart didn't score worse than bigger cars

i'm pretty sure it would drive straight through a chinese Landwind


and 80 hp is enough for a Polo
 
takao said:
that aside in crash tests the smart didn't score worse than bigger cars

i'm pretty sure it would drive straight through a chinese Landwind
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I saw a video on Google (I tried finding it, no go :() of a test one of the British car shows (Top/Fifth Gear) did (Well, so it claimed). They ran a SMART car into some jersey barriers at 70MPH and a slight angle. The roof shatterred (it is plastic, after all), and there was a visible crease in the A-pillar, but the left door (the left side took most of the impact) could still open, annd the right side was near perfect.
 
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