Just got my dualie, i don't see any pref pane for my 9800 pro. Do i need to install drivers from ATI.com. Are they safe/neccessary?
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ATI 9800 control panel
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The ATI control panels and pref. panes don't work with the OEM version of the ATI card.
If you look at the system profiler the card with probably be recognized as a ATY card.
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Basically the drivers will work, but not the fancy control panel/preference pane.
For that you'd need a retail card, but the retail 9800 Pro card is only a 4x card -- though some people are using them in G5s anyway.
If you look at the system profiler the card with probably be recognized as a ATY card.
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Basically the drivers will work, but not the fancy control panel/preference pane.
For that you'd need a retail card, but the retail 9800 Pro card is only a 4x card -- though some people are using them in G5s anyway.
Oh man that sucks 
How did benchmarks online do FSAA then with the stock 9600 Pros then? They don't sell 9600 Pros non-OEM.
How did benchmarks online do FSAA then with the stock 9600 Pros then? They don't sell 9600 Pros non-OEM.
Originally posted by ZildjianKX
Oh man that sucks
How did benchmarks online do FSAA then with the stock 9600 Pros then? They don't sell 9600 Pros non-OEM.
Please point us to these benchmarks? I don't think there is anyway of doing FSAA with any ATI card except the retail ATI9800 unless the program itself supports the feature.
WEll that sucks, i ordered mine with the radeon 9800 pro too. what does ATY mean. and i would apple sell us a high end graphics card, on a high end machine and not give us the control panel for it. thats just dumb
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i think the answer is no, the build to order card is also a agp 8 card vs 4/2 for retail. i would guess future panther builds will have support for these features but it seems only the retail card at this moment gives you the full features of the card while the g5 version is waiting for panther. please correct me if i'm wrong on this.
Here ya go. There has to be a way then.
http://www.accelerateyourmac.com/G5/Dual_g5_9600_9800_tests.html
They explain all about the 9800 and the differences between retail and BTO, but the Radeon 9600 they use is stock G5, but they don't explain how they do FSAA for it in some of their tests.
Well we should have an answer here in the next day or two. I just shot off an email to Mike at XLR8yourmac.com to see what he did.
Oops, man I hate to bug that guy he's so busy. Actually I've been considering responding to his request for writers and help.
just did a lil research and it turns out no adc on the 9800?? what is ati thinking? they have it on the 9000 but not 9800??
Yep. The Retail (AGP 2x, 4x) version of the Radeon 9800 Pro only has DVi, VGA and TV-out.
This is because the card is a "flashed" version of the PC card. No other hardware modifications were made.
The BTO G5 Radeon 9800 ofcourse does have ADC, alongside DVI.
well that really sucks, guess ill just keep using my geforce 3. i was really planning on a 9800 but im not going to buy a $100 adapter on top of a $ 400 card. ati still doesnt quite get it when it comes to the mac.
Well, that depends.
I really was VERY happy to hear ATi were willing to produce the Retail version of the Radeon 9800 Pro card for Macintosh (the BEST gaming card!).
Lucky for me, I still use an Apple Studio Display 21" (still better for gaming, as there is no problem with a default resolution), so I don't have to buy the extra adaptor.
But I know how you feel.
But, otherwise the card would have been very expensive. For ATi this was just a small adjustment, thus keeping it cheap.
I really was VERY happy to hear ATi were willing to produce the Retail version of the Radeon 9800 Pro card for Macintosh (the BEST gaming card!).
Lucky for me, I still use an Apple Studio Display 21" (still better for gaming, as there is no problem with a default resolution), so I don't have to buy the extra adaptor.
But I know how you feel.
But, otherwise the card would have been very expensive. For ATi this was just a small adjustment, thus keeping it cheap.
from what i understand this is nothing more then the pc card with mac drivers,every mac since the 733 has had adc yet they claim this is a mac card but no adc. come on ati isnt marketing a retail version mac card they are selling the pc card flashed for mac with the drivers. shame shame shame on ati. they seem to allways find a way to dissapoint, just like their drivers from a couple of years ago.
It has been flashed aswell, making the card itself suitable for Macintosh. If they wanted to have added an ADC port, ATi would have to redesign the whole card.... which now is the BTO one, for the G5.
Compare the nVidia GeForce 4 Ti 4600 PC version with the BTO Apple version: The card for Mac is almost twice the price!
Many do want the advantages of the Radeon 9800, maybe with a VGA or DVI monitor, and maybe some will purchase the adaptor aswell for connecting an ADC monitor....
Having options is gr8. Having the Radeon selling at PC prices is gr8. And it still is possible to use an DVi - ADC adaptor.....
the 9000 has adc,9800 retail should have had it too. think of it like this-- what computer could you put this card in and game???? answer at least a adc equiped mac in other words those computers that didnt have adc are to slow to even bother with this card, you need the latest greatest mac to push this card and they are all ADC. whatever ATI was thinking is beyond me if they were marketing this card for retail mac, I know this doesnt effect new g5 buyers but it pisses the heck out of us powermac g4 users who would like to upgrade their video card.
I understand what you are saying.
But I think ATi did it with reason:
Building the 9000 with ADC included maybe isn't as costly an effort as adding ADC support to the 9800. I know I'm guessing, here... but I would like to give ATi the benefit of the doubt.
Like I said before, getting ADC on a GeForce 4 Ti costs ALOT of money. If you would like to upgrade to a GeForce 4 card, you are almost paying the same amount as a Radeon 9800 + DVi to ADC adaptor (!).
Don't forget the Radeon is MUCH faster, with that super control panel (thread starter?? ), making all cards seem "outdated".
Honeslty, I would go for the 9800, and get the adaptor necessary for ADC monitors.
Don't get me wrong, I would love for ATi to have made this card ADC compatible, but somehow I think it would have rocketed the price.
But I think ATi did it with reason:
Building the 9000 with ADC included maybe isn't as costly an effort as adding ADC support to the 9800. I know I'm guessing, here... but I would like to give ATi the benefit of the doubt.
Like I said before, getting ADC on a GeForce 4 Ti costs ALOT of money. If you would like to upgrade to a GeForce 4 card, you are almost paying the same amount as a Radeon 9800 + DVi to ADC adaptor (!).
Don't forget the Radeon is MUCH faster, with that super control panel (thread starter??
), making all cards seem "outdated".Honeslty, I would go for the 9800, and get the adaptor necessary for ADC monitors.
Don't get me wrong, I would love for ATi to have made this card ADC compatible, but somehow I think it would have rocketed the price.
Personally I HATE ADC. It's a frigging joke. It's another proprietary connector that causes expense and trouble for switchers and people upgrading. I personally believe that Apple did this so that those that don't have there computer handy would have to buy the display so they would have a power button. Come on can anyone realistically tell me that a power button on the monitor is more convenient then the one they use to have on the keyboard. Personally Apple can take there ADC and shove it so far up their,,, that they choke.