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Been watching dozens of these review videos and reading every thread here and have been surprised at how difficult it is to get a clear feel for which upgrades are wise investments and which are overpriced for the performance difference. Maybe it's just too early in the process and people are still waiting on most of the upgrades to ship?

As best I can tell the best bang for the buck so far is to order the off the shelf base model with 10 gig ethernet. It would actually be more expensive to build that model when you consider the 5k monitor, the peripherals, speakers and webcam. That said, for those that need better performance it becomes much murkier.

Upgrades worth it:
10gig ethernet.: (Increase resale, future proof, opens up a port, gives expansion possibilities, a dongle costs just as much)
Moving up to mid model: aka 256->512MB SSD (comes with faster processor, much faster SSD)
Moving up to high model (faster processor, better graphics 5300 to 55000xt)

Upgrades not worth it:
Nano glass: (even if you need it it's terribly expensive and difficult to clean)
Apple memory: (buy your own)
10 core: (this one is more open to debate but I think due to cooling and throttling the difference, especially for single core is not worth it)

Would love some assistance in determining the difference in performance for the following upgrades:

Are these worth it?
512mb to 1tb SSD: (People have received them both but no one has done 1tb benchmarks yet to compare in the forum thread.) The 2tb benchmarks seem impressive and the 4tb is much faster)
5500xt to 5700 with 8gigs: Really surprised no one has done this benchmark yet. Everyone's doing the 16gb with is a pricier upgrade.
5700 with 8gb vs 16gb: Again, need performance comparison. Generally 8gb of vram isn't worth a few hundred dollars difference?
 
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Been watching dozens of these review videos and reading every thread here and have been surprised at how difficult it is to get a clear feel for which upgrades are wise investments and which are overpriced for the performance difference. Maybe it's just too early in the process and people are still waiting on most of the upgrades to ship?

As best I can tell the best bang for the buck so far is to order the off the shelf base model with 10 gig ethernet. It would actually be more expensive to build that model when you consider the 5k monitor, the peripherals, speakers and webcam. That said, for those that need better performance it becomes much murkier.

Upgrades worth it:
10gig ethernet.: (Increase resale, future proof, opens up a port, gives expansion possibilities, a dongle costs just as much)
Moving up to mid model: aka 256->512MB SSD (comes with faster processor, much faster SSD)
Moving up to high model (faster processor, better graphics 5300 to 55000xt)

Upgrades not worth it:
Nano glass: (even if you need it it's terribly expensive and difficult to clean)
Apple memory: (buy your own)
10 core: (this one is more open to debate but I think due to cooling and throttling the difference, especially for single core is not worth it)

Would love some assistance in determining the difference in performance for the following upgrades:

Are these worth it?
512mb to 1tb SSD: (People have received them both but no one has done 1tb benchmarks yet to compare in the forum thread.) The 2tb benchmarks seem impressive and the 4tb is much faster)
5500xt to 5700 with 8gigs: Really surprised no one has done this benchmark yet. Everyone's doing the 16gb with is a pricier upgrade.
5700 with 8gb vs 16gb: Again, need performance comparison. Generally 8gb of vram isn't worth a few hundred dollars difference?

Looks like a lot of people bought 1tb SSD, but I went with 512, I can't fit everything on the desktop anyways and use external drives anyways, so I couldn't justify buying more SSD space. But I am wondering if I shoulda upgraded to 1tb....

I went 16g everything else, and I went 10core - now I'm wondering if the 10core is worth it since all the cooling issues, still I want this computer to last me 5-7 years, and I do plan on using it intensely so I tried to buy it as up to date as possible.
 
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Been watching dozens of these review videos and reading every thread here and have been surprised at how difficult it is to get a clear feel for which upgrades are wise investments and which are overpriced for the performance difference. Maybe it's just too early in the process and people are still waiting on most of the upgrades to ship?

As best I can tell the best bang for the buck so far is to order the off the shelf base model with 10 gig ethernet. It would actually be more expensive to build that model when you consider the 5k monitor, the peripherals, speakers and webcam. That said, for those that need better performance it becomes much murkier.

Upgrades worth it:
10gig ethernet.: (Increase resale, future proof, opens up a port, gives expansion possibilities, a dongle costs just as much)
Moving up to mid model: aka 256->512MB SSD (comes with faster processor, much faster SSD)
Moving up to high model (faster processor, better graphics 5300 to 55000xt)

Upgrades not worth it:
Nano glass: (even if you need it it's terribly expensive and difficult to clean)
Apple memory: (buy your own)
10 core: (this one is more open to debate but I think due to cooling and throttling the difference, especially for single core is not worth it)

Would love some assistance in determining the difference in performance for the following upgrades:

Are these worth it?
512mb to 1tb SSD: (People have received them both but no one has done 1tb benchmarks yet to compare in the forum thread.) The 2tb benchmarks seem impressive and the 4tb is much faster)
5500xt to 5700 with 8gigs: Really surprised no one has done this benchmark yet. Everyone's doing the 16gb with is a pricier upgrade.
5700 with 8gb vs 16gb: Again, need performance comparison. Generally 8gb of vram isn't worth a few hundred dollars difference?
I echo your desire to see some more analysis of the 5700 option and the 5700 vs 5700 XT. I originally purchased a base tier-3 model and was happy enough with it, but I ended up returning it. The system just didn't feel balanced to me. The i7 is an amazing processor, but the 5500 XT seemed an underwhelming companion. Don't get me wrong, I think it's perfectly competent for most users (myself included, no doubt), and I encountered no bottlenecks when using the system. But when I think about having this machine for 4 to 6 years, I think I'd rather have a current mid-range graphics option (ie. 5700) than a "budget" card like the 5500 XT.

I haven't ordered a new system yet, but it will likely be the i7, 5700, 1TB, non-upgraded ethernet, standard glass
 
I haven't ordered a new system yet, but it will likely be the i7, 5700, 1TB, non-upgraded ethernet, standard glass
Thanks. Appreciate the feedback, some of the reviews I've seen have placed the 5500 pretty closely to the last generations 580. I'm pretty curious to know how the 5500xt compares to the current gen. It's pretty weird that there has been so much focus on the 16gb 5700xt which is out of the price range for most mid range buyers and so little on comparing the 5300 to 5500 and 5500 to 5700 8gb which will be much more common upgrade puzzles.
 
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I consider this the best bang for the buck :

10 cores (because I need it)
Radeon Pro 5700 (easier to drive 2 4K displays at 10 bits)
Self-upgraded Crucial memory to 64 GB (because I need it)
10gbps LAN for future proof. Might add a 10gbps ubiquiti switch and upgrade NAS to 10gbps.
1 TB SSD (because I need it).

This is I think the best not-too-pricey-but-long-lasting compromise.
 
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I've been debating 5500XT, 5700, or 5700XT for the Tier 3 config.
I think if you're going to go with 5700, it is better to pay $200 extra to go with 5700XT because the performance gain is quite substantial vs 5500XT to 5700 for the $/perf% metrics.

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I'm debating on BTO with the following config:
i7 8 core
5700XT
1TB SSD
everything else standard.

Edit:
The chart above is only looking at i7 8 core benchmark numbers. It goes up slightly with the i9 10 core.
 
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I've been debating 5500XT, 5700, or 5700XT for the Tier 3 config.
I think if you're going to go with 5700, it is better to pay $200 extra to go with 5700XT because the performance gain is quite substantial vs 5500XT to 5700 for the $/perf% metrics.

View attachment 946011

I'm debating on BTO with the following config:
i7 8 core
5700XT
1TB SSD
everything else standard.
If you really need it, then yes it worths it.

As a software engineer, I have no reason to get a 16 GB AMD GPU.
 
I plan on using mine for Bootcamp and gaming in addition to work, so for me the 5700XT was worth it. I upgraded to 4TB and I thought that was my biggest splurge.
 
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I've been debating 5500XT, 5700, or 5700XT for the Tier 3 config.
I think if you're going to go with 5700, it is better to pay $200 extra to go with 5700XT because the performance gain is quite substantial vs 5500XT to 5700 for the $/perf% metrics.

View attachment 946011

I'm debating on BTO with the following config:
i7 8 core
5700XT
1TB SSD
everything else standard.

Edit:
The chart above is only looking at i7 8 core benchmark numbers. It goes up slightly with the i9 10 core.
Wow. Nice work. You're right, based upon that table the 5700XT might be the way to go for me.
 
I've been debating 5500XT, 5700, or 5700XT for the Tier 3 config.
I think if you're going to go with 5700, it is better to pay $200 extra to go with 5700XT because the performance gain is quite substantial vs 5500XT to 5700 for the $/perf% metrics.

View attachment 946011

I'm debating on BTO with the following config:
i7 8 core
5700XT
1TB SSD
everything else standard.

Edit:
The chart above is only looking at i7 8 core benchmark numbers. It goes up slightly with the i9 10 core.
Where did you get those numbers for the 5700?

For me, I think upgrading to 1TB SSD and 10GB ethernet (cheap future proofing) and either 5700 or 5700 XT are the main upgrades.

Matte display ... anyone remember when these didn’t cost extra. :)

400 more for two extra cores seems like a bit too much. I hit the cores most while compiling, so it might earn its keep once in a while. Still waiting for more benchmarks.
Video card - pretty easy sell. Snappiness in games and UI + being able to drive more monitors makes this a must have. Overpriced but typical of iMac upgrades.
RAM - obviously user upgrading is the way to go here.
10gb Ethernet - No need at present but it makes it easy to divert internal storage needs to external and it’s actually reasonably priced.
SSD upgrade - 1TB seems about right just to keep things simple on my primary drive. Again, I’ll have multiple options for outboard storage via TB3 and 10gb Ethernet.
 
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I've been debating 5500XT, 5700, or 5700XT for the Tier 3 config.
I think if you're going to go with 5700, it is better to pay $200 extra to go with 5700XT because the performance gain is quite substantial vs 5500XT to 5700 for the $/perf% metrics.

View attachment 946011

I'm debating on BTO with the following config:
i7 8 core
5700XT
1TB SSD
everything else standard.

Edit:
The chart above is only looking at i7 8 core benchmark numbers. It goes up slightly with the i9 10 core.
Thank you very much for posting - at last some comparisons with the 5700 8GB. Especially using the i7 8-core.

One little niggle though: the cost vs 5500XT row is incorrect. I would think the cost percentage of the 5700XT vs the 5500XT would be higher.

This is a very helpful chart and should make choice a lot easier for some people.
 
Thank you very much for posting - at last some comparisons with the 5700 8GB. Especially using the i7 8-core.

One little niggle though: the cost vs 5500XT row is incorrect. I would think the cost percentage of the 5700XT vs the 5500XT would be higher.

This is a very helpful chart and should make choice a lot easier for some people.

It's basically cost delta over percentage improvement, so $500/31.7% = 15.78
 
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Where did you get those numbers for the 5700?

For me, I think upgrading to 1TB SSD and 10GB ethernet (cheap future proofing) and either 5700 or 5700 XT are the main upgrades.

Matte display ... anyone remember when these didn’t cost extra. :)

400 more for two extra cores seems like a bit too much. I hit the cores most while compiling, so it might earn its keep once in a while. Still waiting for more benchmarks.
Video card - pretty easy sell. Snappiness in games and UI + being able to drive more monitors makes this a must have. Overpriced but typical of iMac upgrades.
RAM - obviously user upgrading is the way to go here.
10gb Ethernet - No need at present but it makes it easy to divert internal storage needs to external and it’s actually reasonably priced.
SSD upgrade - 1TB seems about right just to keep things simple on my primary drive. Again, I’ll have multiple options for outboard storage via TB3 and 10gb Ethernet.
Numbers are from https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/search.
Search for imac20,1 or imac20,2.
 
Would love some assistance in determining the difference in performance for the following upgrades:

My two cents as a computer autist and who still uses a 2011 iMac daily.

Upgrades worth it:
10gig ethernet.: (Increase resale, future proof, opens up a port, gives expansion possibilities, a dongle costs just as much) Agree.

Moving up to high model (faster processor, better graphics 5300 to 55000xt) Agree. 5500 is the minimum and IMO the sweet spot.


Upgrades not worth it:
Nano glass: (even if you need it it's terribly expensive and difficult to clean) Completely agree.
Apple memory: (buy your own) Completely agree.

10 core: (this one is more open to debate but I think due to cooling and throttling the difference, especially for single core is not worth it) For the modest upgrade cost, I would go for it. Depends on your workload obviously but is there conclusive evidence of heavy throttling? This can't really be upgraded later so get the best you can afford.

Are these worth it?
512mb to 1tb SSD: (People have received them both but no one has done 1tb benchmarks yet to compare in the forum thread.) Storage speed not really relevant given how fast Apple SSDs have been over the last couple of years. 1TB is the minimum for a reasonable amount of storage nowadays. More than that and I'd be nervous - 2 or 4tb is a lot of data to lose if your logic board goes tits up.

5500xt to 5700 with 8gigs: Really surprised no one has done this benchmark yet. Everyone's doing the 16gb with is a pricier upgrade. 5700 with 8gb vs 16gb: Again, need performance comparison. Generally 8gb of vram isn't worth a few hundred dollars difference?
I do not recommend spending money on the internal GPU.
- GPUs get outclassed a lot more quickly than CPUs, so your killer card now is not so hot in a couple years. AMD is about to release the new flagship card, and it will be a huge step up from the current gen

- The GPU in my iMac (2GB 6970) died right around year 4
. Guess what, Apple wanted 900$ for a new one, plus I'd need to pay them or an AASP to install it. Machine sat unusable for a year. When I decided I'd just rather keep using the iMac than buy a new one, the machine was considered vintage with no parts available. Finally I found a guy on eBay who replaced the GPU chip itself on the card, installed it myself and it's been working great ever since. I don't do anything demanding on it anymore though.

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Get the 5500xt. If you need more, get a thunderbolt enclosure you can upgrade the card in every couple of years to keep the machine relevant. 5500 will be better day to day if you decide to keep using it or resell. But I would go EGPU route as soon as the new cards come out and are supported to preserve the internal GPU.
 
Get the 5500xt. If you need more, get a thunderbolt enclosure you can upgrade the card in every couple of years to keep the machine relevant.
I don’t agree at all.
EGPU are only a patch. A lot of things don’t work well on this.

If the use cases requires a higher end GPU, get it internally. It really doesn’t worth to invest on a costly external device crippled by bandwidth.

We don’t even know if this will still be actively supported and if Apple will continue development of eGPU on Apple Silicon and future macOS versions. I personally didn't see anything relative to new features or increased support on Big Sur regarding eGPU.
 
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I don’t agree at all.
EGPU are only a patch. A lot of things don’t work well on this.

If the use cases requires a higher end GPU, get it internally. It really doesn’t worth to invest on a costly external device crippled by bandwidth.

This I am interested to hear. I don't know much about the EGPU solutions since my 2011 doesn't support it. Is there really a big penalty? TB3 is supposed to work at full PCIe speeds.
 
My two cents as a computer autist and who still uses a 2011 iMac daily.

Upgrades worth it:
10gig ethernet.: (Increase resale, future proof, opens up a port, gives expansion possibilities, a dongle costs just as much) Agree.

Moving up to high model (faster processor, better graphics 5300 to 55000xt) Agree. 5500 is the minimum and IMO the sweet spot.


Upgrades not worth it:
Nano glass: (even if you need it it's terribly expensive and difficult to clean) Completely agree.
Apple memory: (buy your own) Completely agree.

10 core: (this one is more open to debate but I think due to cooling and throttling the difference, especially for single core is not worth it) For the modest upgrade cost, I would go for it. Depends on your workload obviously but is there conclusive evidence of heavy throttling? This can't really be upgraded later so get the best you can afford.

Are these worth it?
512mb to 1tb SSD: (People have received them both but no one has done 1tb benchmarks yet to compare in the forum thread.) Storage speed not really relevant given how fast Apple SSDs have been over the last couple of years. 1TB is the minimum for a reasonable amount of storage nowadays. More than that and I'd be nervous - 2 or 4tb is a lot of data to lose if your logic board goes tits up.

5500xt to 5700 with 8gigs: Really surprised no one has done this benchmark yet. Everyone's doing the 16gb with is a pricier upgrade. 5700 with 8gb vs 16gb: Again, need performance comparison. Generally 8gb of vram isn't worth a few hundred dollars difference?
I do not recommend spending money on the internal GPU.
- GPUs get outclassed a lot more quickly than CPUs, so your killer card now is not so hot in a couple years. AMD is about to release the new flagship card, and it will be a huge step up from the current gen

- The GPU in my iMac (2GB 6970) died right around year 4
. Guess what, Apple wanted 900$ for a new one, plus I'd need to pay them or an AASP to install it. Machine sat unusable for a year. When I decided I'd just rather keep using the iMac than buy a new one, the machine was considered vintage with no parts available. Finally I found a guy on eBay who replaced the GPU chip itself on the card, installed it myself and it's been working great ever since. I don't do anything demanding on it anymore though.

- Get the 5500xt. If you need more, get a thunderbolt enclosure you can upgrade the card in every couple of years to keep the machine relevant.

Agree that 5500XT is a sweet spot for most folks.
My argument is to skip 5700 and jump to 5700XT if you want more GPU performance.
I'm still debating between 5500XT and 5700XT.
I'm coming from an iMac 2011 with AMD 6970M 1GB, and it has served me well for the past 9 years. I'm going to miss the upgradeability going with the 2020 iMac... I did SSD + bluetooth upgrade but really want the 5k screen.
 
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Agree that 5500XT is a sweet spot for most folks.
My argument is to skip 5700 and jump to 5700XT if you want more GPU performance.
I'm still debating between 5500XT and 5700XT.
I'm coming from an iMac 2011 with AMD 6970M 1GB, and it has served me well for the past 9 years. I'm going to miss the upgradeability going with the 2020 iMac... I did SSD + bluetooth upgrade but really want the 5k screen.

Well if you intend to use the 2020 for as long as we've had our 2011s then max out GPU for sure. Edit: but the cost of the upgrade is the cost of an entire high end 5700xt from a top tier AIB. Hard to justify unless you do video work or gaming, and by the time the performance difference really matters, the GPU's architecture will be obsolete so your 20% gain will have been surpassed by the 75-150% gain of the newer architecture.


I'm just paranoid because GPU failures are apparently widespread, and now that they are soldered to the board, if the GPU dies, the whole machine gets trashed. Does the EGPU work if the internal gpu is dead? I wonder.

Also did the SSD+802.11ac/BT5 upgrade, very happy. Recently got a thunderbolt port replicator to get USB3 and it has helped a lot.

I was hoping they'd go Zen but I guess I'll keep my 2011 in service until at least 2022 (2nd gen Apple silicon at the least)
 
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My two cents as a computer autist and who still uses a 2011 iMac daily.

Upgrades worth it:
10gig ethernet.: (Increase resale, future proof, opens up a port, gives expansion possibilities, a dongle costs just as much) Agree.

Moving up to high model (faster processor, better graphics 5300 to 55000xt) Agree. 5500 is the minimum and IMO the sweet spot.


Upgrades not worth it:
Nano glass: (even if you need it it's terribly expensive and difficult to clean) Completely agree.
Apple memory: (buy your own) Completely agree.

10 core: (this one is more open to debate but I think due to cooling and throttling the difference, especially for single core is not worth it) For the modest upgrade cost, I would go for it. Depends on your workload obviously but is there conclusive evidence of heavy throttling? This can't really be upgraded later so get the best you can afford.

Are these worth it?
512mb to 1tb SSD: (People have received them both but no one has done 1tb benchmarks yet to compare in the forum thread.) Storage speed not really relevant given how fast Apple SSDs have been over the last couple of years. 1TB is the minimum for a reasonable amount of storage nowadays. More than that and I'd be nervous - 2 or 4tb is a lot of data to lose if your logic board goes tits up.

5500xt to 5700 with 8gigs: Really surprised no one has done this benchmark yet. Everyone's doing the 16gb with is a pricier upgrade. 5700 with 8gb vs 16gb: Again, need performance comparison. Generally 8gb of vram isn't worth a few hundred dollars difference?
I do not recommend spending money on the internal GPU.
- GPUs get outclassed a lot more quickly than CPUs, so your killer card now is not so hot in a couple years. AMD is about to release the new flagship card, and it will be a huge step up from the current gen

- The GPU in my iMac (2GB 6970) died right around year 4
. Guess what, Apple wanted 900$ for a new one, plus I'd need to pay them or an AASP to install it. Machine sat unusable for a year. When I decided I'd just rather keep using the iMac than buy a new one, the machine was considered vintage with no parts available. Finally I found a guy on eBay who replaced the GPU chip itself on the card, installed it myself and it's been working great ever since. I don't do anything demanding on it anymore though.

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Get the 5500xt. If you need more, get a thunderbolt enclosure you can upgrade the card in every couple of years to keep the machine relevant. 5500 will be better day to day if you decide to keep using it or resell. But I would go EGPU route as soon as the new cards come out and are supported to preserve the internal GPU.
I'm not sure I agree as far as the GPU. If I had to pick, I'd spend the money towards a GPU upgrade instead of CPU.
 
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There's something fishy about the GPU numbers, they just don't make sense.
Let's see if I get this straight:

We have the 580X of the previous generation Tier 3 that peaks at 5.5 TFLOPS and a roughly 42K OpenCL score.
Then we have the upgrade for it, the Vega 48, with peak 7.3 TFLOPS and about 49K OpenCL.

In 2020, the 5700 is 6.2 TFLOPS and a score of about 45K.
And then the 5700 XT with 7.6 TFLOPS and score 55K.

All the numbers seem off. The default T3 version with the 5500 XT (5.3 TFLOPS) seems to be worse than the T3 of 2017/2019. The 5700 is almost as expensive as the old Vega 48 upgrade and showcases worse performance.
The 5700 XT is barely better, but it's even more expensive, and where the hell is the advertised +55% improvement over the Vega 48?

For clarity:
5500XT - 5.3 TF, default Tier 3 2020
580X - 5.5 TF, default Tier 3 2019
5700 - 6.2 TF, + 300$ (2020)
Vega48 - 7.3 TF, +450$ (2019)
5700XT - 7.6 TF, +500$ (2020)

Sources - official tables from AMD, geekbench browser:
https://www.amd.com/en/graphics/radeon-apple-5000-series
https://www.amd.com/en/graphics/workstations-radeon-pro-500
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-pro-vega-48.c3395

I think people's initial enthusiasm over these cards was because of their desktop versions. But the cards in the iMacs have nothing to do with the desktop versions, they are severely limited thermally. The desktop 5700XT peaks at almost 10 TFlops, the one in the Mac is 7.6.
 
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There's something fishy about the GPU numbers, they just don't make sense.
Let's see if I get this straight:

We have the 580X of the previous generation Tier 3 that peaks at 5.5 TFLOPS and a roughly 42K OpenCL score.
Then we have the upgrade for it, the Vega 48, with peak 7.3 TFLOPS and about 49K OpenCL.

In 2020, the 5700 is 6.2 TFLOPS and a score of about 45K.
And then the 5700 XT with 7.6 TFLOPS and score 55K.

All the numbers seem off. The default T3 version with the 5500 XT (5.3 TFLOPS) seems to be worse than the T3 of 2017/2019. The 5700 is almost as expensive as the old Vega 48 upgrade and showcases worse performance.
The 5700 XT is barely better, but it's even more expensive, and where the hell is the advertised +55% improvement over the Vega 48?

For clarity:
5500XT - 5.3 TF, default Tier 3 2020
580X - 5.5 TF, default Tier 3 2019
5700 - 6.2 TF, + 300$ (2020)
Vega48 - 7.3 TF, +450$ (2019)
5700XT - 7.6 TF, +500$ (2020)

5500XT - 5.3 TF, default Tier 3 2020 - 41k OpenCL
580X - 5.5 TF, default Tier 3 2019 - 42k OpenCL
5700 - 6.2 TF, + 300$ (2020) - 45k OpenCL
Vega48 - 7.3 TF, +450$ (2019) - 49k OpenCL
5700XT - 7.6 TF, +500$ (2020) - 54k OpenCL

Looks about right:
It actually confirms that 5700XT is a good upgrade.
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Cost-wise, the upgrade from 5500XT to 5700XT is better bang for the buck than 580X to Vega48.
 
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