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FyerFyer

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Hi guys

I have had a 2012 MBP which I have maxxed out. I’m still amazed at how powerful it still is. Now, I would like to soop up an IMac.

Can anyone help me choose the right iMac for upgrading ram and drive to ssd? I really think home upgrades are so cool as a lot of the older machines are still really good!
 
The M1 iMac cannot have a RAM or SSD upgrade. It's all on the SoC. You can upgrade the RAM on a 2020 27 inch intel iMac but not the soldered SSD. The 2019 27 inch iMac can have both the RAM and SSD upgraded. Both are still available as refurbs on the online Apple Store.
 
You could always get an external SSD drive (Thunderbolt or USB3)and boot your iMac from the SSD drive and either use your internal drive as a storage drive or for a Time Machine backup. I had my previous 2011 imac had set up to boot from an external rugged Lacie Thunderbolt drive and used the internal drive for Time Machine.
 
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What year is the iMac?
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Hi guys

I have had a 2012 MBP which I have maxxed out. I’m still amazed at how powerful it still is. Now, I would like to soop up an IMac.

Can anyone help me choose the right iMac for upgrading ram and drive to ssd? I really think home upgrades are so cool as a lot of the older machines are still really good!

For toying with upgrade, I would suggest you the iMac 2010 base model (core i3 one) if you still can find one in good condition. (bright and beautiful screen)
You can upgrade:
- RAM
- SSD, SSD in RAID configuration
- CPU
- Graphic card.
- Mac OS
A lot of stuff you can play with.
 
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You could always get an external SSD drive (Thunderbolt or USB3)and boot your iMac from the SSD drive and either use your internal drive as a storage drive or for a Time Machine backup. I had my previous 2011 imac had set up to boot from an external rugged Lacie Thunderbolt drive and used the internal drive for Time Machine.
Good advice!

Thing is I have to choose the right iMac first. 2019 sounds good but I’m guessing 2017 would also be pretty home upgradeable?
 
For toying with upgrade, I would suggest you the iMac 2010 base model (core i3 one) if you still can find one in good condition. (bright and beautiful screen)
You can upgrade:
- RAM
- SSD, SSD in RAID configuration
- CPU
- Graphic card.
- Mac OS
A lot of stuff you can play with.
Thanks, just thinking that might be a bit too old. Then again just had a quick look and it is a quad core..!

Can I ask why the i3 model over the i5 and i7 models?
 
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I’m looking at second hand 2017’s atm, apparently they are a good model for their prices?
 
Hi,
SNAP. I'm in EXACTLY the same position.
After looking iMacs over, spec wise, and looking at my crystal all, I think your best bang-per-buck for a LONG term solution is the 27" iMac 2019 (after all, anyone like us who kept on with an MBP 2012 for 10 years is a long term kind of guy:-} ).

That's assuming you can afford to pay the +/- $2k to get a one and upgrade to top end specs: i9 9900K CPU, >= 64GB RAM, >= 1TB PCIE SSD + SATA SSD and ideally the Radeon Pro Vega 48 GPU.

If not, then slide on downwards/backwards to 2017, then to 2015.
I think you are wasting your $$$ by getting anything older/cheaper than the 2015.
In terms of a solid workhorse.

I did a table looking at the changes in CPU (speed and cores) and GPU.
Then looked at potential for upgrading/repairing the components.
The iMac 2019 is the sister to the MBP 2012: only real difference is no battery, and you CAN replace the CPU in the iMac.
And OK, a LOT more powerful.

All of the range from 2015 to 2019 have USB 3.0 and Thunderbolt. (2015 only 2.0, after that is 3.0).

As you go from 2015 to 2017 to 2019 you get a gradual and steady increase in performance, if you compare Apples to Apples.
As in compare the Standard model in each case to each other, or the top model.

But I think if you look at final price to you, it's worth it to spend the extra to get a high end 2019 because THEN you get abut the best Intel Mac that was made: forgetting the new Mac Pro for now (and it's REALLY expensive in any case).

Is good to try to get as new as possible, because all these 3rd gen iMacs are going to start being caught out by Apple shutting out Intel Macs.
Look at the time from release of a new OSX to end of support: is roughly 5 years.
On our MBP we stretched it to 10 years, but Catalina is pretty well as high as we can go.

And now Apple is really turning away from even ATTEMPTING to support Intel based apps.
So I think this is your last chance at a non-ARM Mac.
At a Mac you CAN upgrade, and have it run LOTS of stuff.
Like Win 10/Linux on either BootCamp on a VM etc etc.

I see the difference between a highly specced out 2019 and a relatively cheaper 2015 as maybe $500 or a bit bit more.
Again, comparing apples to apples.
And that extra, whatever it is, is what you are using to help keep the new machine going strong for +/- 5 years.

I suggest you decide on a base spec for your iMac, in terms of for a given year, the CPU, RAM, GPU and storeage.
And then search eBay to get an idea of prices.
And for say a given 2019 supplied as-is, add in whatever it would cost to upgrasde to your spec.
And do that for 2017, and 2015.
As in get good numbers for the RAM and SSD costs to upgrade.
Even for CPU's.

Then look at the ballpark number for 2015, 2017, 2019, and see which one you're happy with.
In UK, you can get give yourself a maxxed out 2019 iMac for +/- £1,900.
Is usually better to buy one with the GPU/CPU you want, and then upgrade the RAM/SSD's yourself.
Although with the 2015, I think all the CPU's for that are not so expensive.
But the high end Core i9-9900K for the 2019 is a lot to buy on its own: £500 new, maybe £350-£400 used.
Is still a VERY good CPU though: 8 cores, and fast.

If you're short of $$$, then in theory you can upgrade a 2009/2010, but it's a bit like the MBP 2012: stuck with USB 2 etc etc.
Plus the Retina screen is really nice, which comes in at 2015.
Plus I think anything older than 2015 is going to lose the chance to stay "current" with an OSx before the >2015 iMacs do.

The 2015 and 2017 use the same socket/chipset: LGA 1151/z170. I THINK you might be able to upgrade the CPU's to same Core i7-7700K 4 core on all of them. In any case, they are all at 4 cores.

But the 2019 has a DIFFERENT socket/chipset version: LGA 1151 rev2/z370. You CANNOT use anything else than Coffee Lake in it. And for 2017, you cannot plug in a Coffee Lake into them.

If you can use 6 or 8 cores, then 2019 is your bet. That's a large part of me picking the 2019. And you can get up to 128 GB: I might need that if I start running a lot on VM's. But I think 64GB will be fine.

Bottom line is you have a HUGE selection going from 2015 Base Model all the way up to high end 2019.
Both in specs, and availability.
But the price is not really so drastically different as I think you'll find once you work out your target models to consider in each year.

And the 2020 iMac is too expensive for what you get compared to a 2019, plus everything is soldered in.

As for the 2015 (and older), we're nearing end 2022 now, I think they're all a bit long in the tooth for someone who has just retired a 2012 as we both have.

Alan
 
I just sort of went through this myself and settled on a 2019. I have the i9 in mine and have taken it to 72gb RAM. Sitting here now I have a 2tb SSD and am waiting on an 8tb spinner(mine is a Fusion drive model) before opening it up.

I'm using an RX580 in a Sonnet eGPU enclosure with mine. That's better than the 570 in it. I bought this primarily to do photo editing and am finding that when I'm doing heavier stuff in Lightroom like distortion corrections, having an eGPU seems to get heat out of the main case so I can hit the CPU harder for longer without it throttling.
 
  • 2009 Target Display Mode, don't get the Core 2 Duo, USB 2.0 means external SSD is slow, $50, cheap RAM
  • 2010 Target Display Mode, look for i7, SSD is a big plus, USB 2.0 means external SSD is slow, $100, cheap RAM
  • 2011 look for an i7, internal SSD is a big plus, USB 2.0 mean external SSD is slow, $100 - $200, cheap RAM
  • 2012 look for an i7, internal SSD is a big plus, USB 3.0 means you can do a bootable external SSD for performance if it comes with HDD, $150 - $200, Cheap RAM
  • 2013 look for an i7, internal SSD is a big plus, USB 3.0 means you can do a bootable external SSD if it comes with a HDD, $200 - $300, Cheap RAM
  • 2014 look for an i7, 5k screen is great, internal SSD is a big plus, USB 3.0 means you can do bootable external SSD, $350 - $500, Cheap RAM
  • Mid-2015 - don't bother unless it's really cheap
  • Late 2015, look gor an i7, 5k screen, internal SSD is a big plus, USB 3.0 means bootable external SSD is possible, $400 - $600, 16 GB DIMMs are very expensive because they have oddball speed requirements; known screen pink tinge issues
I have 2009, 2010 and 2014 iMacs and am typing on a 2014 iMac. I do love this system: i7, upgraded video, 500 GB SSD, 32 GB RAM.
 
Bang for buck would be a 2011 imac, $50, upgrade it to a beast for an additional $250, gpu, cpu, SSD, BT and ram. OCLP run the latest OS.
It will **** all over the base model 21.5” 2017 imac.
As @Nguyen Duc Hieu said the speakers are amazing, miles ahead of the slim model and the 2K panel is just beautiful.
 
I'm going to be the guy recommending an M1 Mini here.
I definitely agree on that (or an M1 iMac) -- though I get the feeling the OP wants a DIY project, and as time goes on Macs are less and less suited to that kind of thing.

I've opened up and upgraded Macs as recently as my 2014 5K iMac, and it is definitely very satisfying and certainly better for the environment to keep old tech alive. At the same time, the current state of M-series Macs is so incredibly good that it's hard for me personally to justify the time that goes into it. I'm glad people are out there doing the work, though, and I'm glad there are still good resources for parts and documentation.
 
I have a small herd of iMac's here., and am typing on a late 2014 27" retina that I got with a 2015, 2010 and 2009 in a local auction ($250 total). For tinkering I would just warn that the difficulty in upgrading is an order magnitude more difficult for 2012 onward due to the screen removal. If you want a challenge go for it, but if you don't want to completely disassemble the machine and deal with adhesive strips every time you open it, go for 2011 or earlier.
 
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I have a small herd of iMac's here., and am typing on a late 2014 27" retina that I got with a 2015, 2010 and 2009 in a local auction ($250 total). For tinkering I would just warn that the difficulty in upgrading is an order magnitude more difficult for 2012 onward due to the screen removal. If you want a challenge go for it, but if you don't want to completely disassemble the machine and deal with adhesive strips every time you open it, go for 2011 or earlier.
He he, I bought a mouse plague from a dude of Facebook marketplace the other day for $30, surprisingly all work except 1. 😁
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