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Le Big Mac

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I'm already backing up to Time Machine, but would like to have a backup specifically of my photos in Photos. TBH, it's the least replaceable data on my mac . . .

What I'd like to do is just back up the library to an external, which I'll leave offsite and update every few months.

What's the best way to do this, so if disaster strikes I could get all my photos back into either Photos directly or some other image software?
 
Hi there,

It might not be the most ingenious thing, but if you only plan on doing this every so often, you could of course just copy your photos library file to the external drive manually every time you connect it. An upside of the Apple Photos format is that it is very easy to move around, everything including metadata and the pictures themselves are all contained in a single file which by default is located inside of your pictures folder. If disaster were to strike and you'd lose the photos on your Mac, you can then just copy your backed up Photos library back to your mac and open Photos with the option key, it will then give you the possibility to select an alternative Photos library such as your backup.
 
You should really consider Time Machine back up on external drive you take off site. Not only will your Photos library be backed up but all your other (presumably important) data. Add the new drive as a TM back up drive but choose manual back ups.
 
I have TM and offsite version too. I worry about reliability of restoring from TM though … this is belt and suspenders. And another belt.
 
Hi there,

It might not be the most ingenious thing, but if you only plan on doing this every so often, you could of course just copy your photos library file to the external drive manually every time you connect it. An upside of the Apple Photos format is that it is very easy to move around, everything including metadata and the pictures themselves are all contained in a single file which by default is located inside of your pictures folder. If disaster were to strike and you'd lose the photos on your Mac, you can then just copy your backed up Photos library back to your mac and open Photos with the option key, it will then give you the possibility to select an alternative Photos library such as your backup.
Keep in mind...if you're using iCloud Photos and have 'Optimize Mac Storage' turned on, you might not be backing up the original/full-resolution photos.

In this case, you'd need to either change the setting to 'Download Originals to this Mac', or go to https://privacy.apple.com and request a copy of your iCloud Photos.
 
Just get a "Thumb drive" USB drive of the size you need and copy the photos to it. Also you could create a "Run.Flow", Apple Script" to copy the files to the USB when run.
 
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I have three backup targets that work roughly like this:
  • backup 1 - 1TB NVMe in USB enclosure - time machine cycle 1. Encrypted
  • backup 2 - 1TB NVMe in USB enclosure - time machine cycle 2. Encrypted
I backup to backup 1 once a week on Sunday. Every 3 months it gets swapped for backup 2 which is off site. Then 3 months after that it is swapped back again. That gives me hourly snapshots on device, weekly recovery objective and quarterly "house burned to the ground" recovery objective.

In addition I have
  • backup 3 - 1TB SATA SSD in USB enclosure - manual copy once every 6 months. Not encrypted and stored in fire safe.
This covers "complete ecosystem, hardware or encryption compromise".

I had one (minor) hardware failure and TM restore worked absolutely fine including Apple Photos.

The big worry with Apple Photos is not losing the photos which is difficult because they are just flat files on disk inside the photos container but losing all the edits, categorisation and metadata associated with them. Difficult to recover and merge that set of changes in. Apple Photos is for me synced with iCloud as well for convenience.

I always wonder if I should just go back to having flat files on disk.

Edit: incidentally if you right click the photos library, and do "show package contents" you can see what is inside the photo library. These are your original untouched files.

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Terminal.app and regularly
Bash:
rsync -av --delete "/Users/myuser/Pictures/Photos Library.photoslibrary/" "/Volumes/mydrive/Backup/Photos Library.photoslibrary/"
 
The big worry with Apple Photos is not losing the photos which is difficult because they are just flat files on disk inside the photos container but losing all the edits, categorisation and metadata associated with them. Difficult to recover and merge that set of changes in. Apple Photos is for me synced with iCloud as well for convenience.

I always wonder if I should just go back to having flat files on disk.

Absolutely! This is why I also do a monthly export of photo files to a conventional folder structure on an external drive, in addition to backing up the Photos Library by conventional means, BackBlaze, Time Machine, CCC etc.
 
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I just create a NAS application, I can easily backup all photo/videos to that anytime
 
I have never relied on Photos for storage of mine. I have a not unrealistic (IMHO 😏) view of proprietary apps - especially from Apple. I have only used Photos for some basic editing before exporting them out to a traditional folder (and inside that, named subfolders) saved in my User folder. Super easy to backup that anywhere, while it can also be accessed by sync to my iPhone.

But if your library of photos is too large, I can well see that export process might be too onerous.
 
I'm already backing up to Time Machine, but would like to have a backup specifically of my photos in Photos. TBH, it's the least replaceable data on my mac . . .

What I'd like to do is just back up the library to an external, which I'll leave offsite and update every few months.

What's the best way to do this, so if disaster strikes I could get all my photos back into either Photos directly or some other image software?

One of the macrumors posters created an app that does just that. It costs (or at least it did when I bought it) $5 & just backs up your photos to wherever you select. I'm pretty sure it would work if you plug in the drive every few days, but that's not how I use it so can't confirm.

It's nice because it's pretty much set it & forget it (every now & then I get a photo that won't transfer & I have to stop & restart the app) but it shows up in the menu bar & when it's read, I know I need to update it.

I have no affiliation with whoever wrote it, but I feel the same as you, and want to protect my photos. The other nice thing is that even if you use the save storage space on Mac setting in Photos, it will still back up the originals. You can search macrumors for a thread about the app. But all in all, it's been great for me. and well worth the $5 (one time fee ,not a subscription).

If I did this right, here is the link to the chat: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...mple-backup-solution-for-your-photos.2440855/
 
Take any old drives you have laying around and copy & paste the Photos library to them. Put a sticky on each so you can easily remember the date you last backed it up to each drive or use a unique identifier of each drive and keep up with a note in Notes on Mac. Even ancient, retired drives that still work can still do a basic job of one more backup copy. Regularly update these backups on some sensible schedule that fits how fast you add a fair number of new photos to your Photos library.

If you lack old drives, buy upwards of several equal to the current size of your Photos library times maybe 2 or 3+ (for future Photos library growth). Then do the above with those several new drives. I suggest bare drives and then use a HDD dock (one of many examples) for this because it is generally cheaper than buying externals already in a branded case. There are cheap plastic storage cases for bare drives too.

Copy & paste the photos library onto your two+ TM discs (you can put files on the same drives; they just eat into the total space TM can use for TM backups) and then update the library copy with each rotation. In other words, before you do the next swap, copy & paste the current library to the drive about to head offsite. And then just make that a step to do just before each drive rotation. You'll essentially be a doing a manual backup copy of one file (though it's actually a whole library).

If you have more than one Mac, including an old, retired one, that still works, copy the library to the other Mac (if it has capacity). It doesn't matter if the old Mac is unable to open the library, you are just using it as spare storage.

If you have a NAS, regularly copy the library to it too.

If you have or can borrow a BD optical burner, export photos from Photos to folders up to nearly the maximum capacity that a blank disc can hold and then burn you a stack of BDs. That's at least 25GB but can be 50GB, 100GB or 128GB per disc. Photos are generally "forever storage" so a permanent burn of files you want to keep forever is a fine use of optical (write) technology. Get a stack of discs on a spindle and then store the burned discs on the spindle for an overall small package... ideally stored offsite. Each time you have another new block of 25GB-128GB of new photos, burn one more disc and add it to that spindle.

Just like with TM, more backups are better than fewer... and getting at least ONE backup offsite significantly improves recoverability in fire-flood-theft scenarios.

Cloud storage is always one more option. I don't like the idea of putting my media on "strangers" HDDs "in the sky" myself, but it is one more place to stash photos that is already "offsite." There are some cloud services that sell a block of storage for a "lifetime" price. So you could buy one of those, copy all of your photos to that storage and have one more "offsite" backup, albeit at the mercy of anything that can happen when you trust total strangers with your private files.

Another "precious" kind of media is home movies. Same suggestions as above. And if you have to buy discs vs. using some already on hand, consider home movie capacity times about 2 or 3+ too.
 
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