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patearrings

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Running beta 3 on an m4 mac mini pro my average cpu is running at around 105c playing WoW (classic) which is a 20 year old game. Any one else seeing high temps in this beta?
 
This is not an issue with the beta - rather it is a function of how M4 handles heat. For the M4 series, 105C is at the top of the operating range, but not excessive. In fact, I've seen those temps in Sequoia non-beta when playing certain games or even batch converting media files. The default fan curves on the Mac prioritize noise reduction, so the fans are slower to spin up and when they do it's often at lower speeds.

You can use an app such as TG Pro to give you more control over the fans. I run that on my MGP and when playing WoW (War Within) my temps never break 75C, and the fans ramp up but still are not loud.
 
This is not an issue with the beta - rather it is a function of how M4 handles heat. For the M4 series, 105C is at the top of the operating range, but not excessive. In fact, I've seen those temps in Sequoia non-beta when playing certain games or even batch converting media files. The default fan curves on the Mac prioritize noise reduction, so the fans are slower to spin up and when they do it's often at lower speeds.

You can use an app such as TG Pro to give you more control over the fans. I run that on my MGP and when playing WoW (War Within) my temps never break 75C, and the fans ramp up but still are not loud.
This is really great info, thank you. What speed do you run your fans at whilst playing war within?
 
On my MBP the fans were running between 7400-7800 RPM when I tested it yesterday, and the CPU was reaching upper 70s/low 80s. As I stated earlier, I am using TG Pro to control the fans rather than the built-in fan management, so my fan curves are a bit more aggressive than Apple's.
 
On my MBP the fans were running between 7400-7800 RPM when I tested it yesterday, and the CPU was reaching upper 70s/low 80s. As I stated earlier, I am using TG Pro to control the fans rather than the built-in fan management, so my fan curves are a bit more aggressive than Apple's.
Do you think that apple prioritising noise over temperature control is detrimental to the long term health of the cpu and logic board?
 
Do you think that apple prioritising noise over temperature control is detrimental to the long term health of the cpu and logic board?
Yes, my thinking is along the lines that if the CPU easily hits 90+ and the CPU isn't the only component getting that hot, other non-robust parts could be too hot for their own good.

I had owned a M4 Pro for about a week, and doing various tasks, I saw the temps hitting 90c pretty regularly. The heat was one of the major reasons (there wee other factors) for my decision to return the M4 Pro and get the studio which has a more robust cooling system.

Since you already have M4 Pro, I would use Macs Fan Control You can manually set the fan speed on the free version and profiles on the paid version ($15).
 
Do you think that apple prioritising noise over temperature control is detrimental to the long term health of the cpu and logic board?

I do not - at least for the SoC itself. Apple would have to know how warm their silicon can run before prematurely shortening the overall life of the device. The wildcard is whether the same is the case for third-party components (transistors, RAM, etc.) that are also on the logic board. And no, you can't use Intel and AMD's max temps as a hard and fast rule because of how the M-series is constructed and placed on a logic board compared to either x86 CPU.
 
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