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VideoBeagle

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I have several ATV3's around my place.

A friend recently gave me a media PC that he no longer uses so I put iTunes on it and am going to use it as a file server for the ATV's, freeing up things on my iMac.

I've realized, however, that loading movies into iTunes, you just get a long list of films under "Home Movies", without any search function or organization.

While I know I can change "Home Movies" to several other big categories...does anyone have any thoughts on a better way to organize movies in general to make it a more elegant enviroment? (like can you do various tags to give sorting options or anything?)
 
And this will create tags that iTunes/Atv will use?
It should. And there are several metadata taggers available. On mac I use free Subler. It fetches the data from iTunes store (if present) so your movies will look exactly as if downloaded from there.
If your movie is not in iTunes store, you can switch to moviedb.
Same holds true for tv series.
 
It should. And there are several metadata taggers available. On mac I use free Subler. It fetches the data from iTunes store (if present) so your movies will look exactly as if downloaded from there.

Huh.. I use Subler to add subtitle files, and change audio track priority...never looked at it's tagging abilities.. I'll take a look. Thanks.
 
Taggers are going to put stuff like details and a movie poster in the files... mostly helpful and/or informative AFTER you've found them in a list.

However, for organization, I'm thinking you might be asking a different question. If I'm not mistaken, the "3" may have still supported the iTunes "show" tag... or was that the "2" (and definitely the "1")? The "show" tag offered a very nice way to group serialized movies by sticking a main name in that "show" field. For example, instead of having a list of now what- 10- Star Wars movies as 10 individual movies in a list, put "Star Wars" in the "show" tag and the movie list would just show one entry- Star Wars- into which you could click to then display the 10 individual movies. about 11 "Star Trek", about 2X "James Bond", Harry Potter, etc. For kid movies that you might not watch much, consider a show tag like "kids" or "animations" and a long movie list can get much shorter with the bonus of all the kids movies being in a single folder for them. I did the same with all of the "Super Hero" movies- using that tag to lump all the Marvel and DC movies into a single folder. End result, a big movie collection list becomes relatively small and well organized. The (IMO not too dear) UI cost is one click to click down a level into a serial movie list to then make a movie collection.

Of course, with the "3" or "4" Apple decided to "improve" on the "show" tag feature by eliminating it. :rolleyes: Perhaps they want to sell some virtual dongles to make it work like that again at some point? ;)

But I THINK I remember the "show" tag still working with the "3". And it's easy enough to try and see for yourself with your own serialized movies. If you are using Meta-Z or Subler, you can enter something for "show" and then just see if Apple organizes it that way on your "3". Putting info in the show tag won't do any harm if the "3" doesn't support it.

FYI: using "show" related tags allowed you to put movies in order without having to lean on something in the movie title to display part 1 before part 2 before part 3. In other words, using "Episode ID" and/or "Episode" tags in iTunes would put films in their sequential order regardless of movie name (in short: it overrode presenting the movies in alphanumeric order). I THINK I remember that still working with the "3" too, and it's also easy enough to try. And yes, then Apple decided to "improve" on that too. :rolleyes:

If the above doesn't work with the "3" (perhaps I'm remembering the "2" and/or "1" capabilities by mistake), organization comes down to naming movies differently than their actual names (working in a way to put parts in part order: instead of "Star Wars: A New Hope" it's "Star Wars 04: A New Hope" and similar).

Even today, I still tag new additions with "show" entries, etc in hopes that maybe Apple will get around to resurrecting a "just works" (really well) feature to bring this simple, elegant functionality back to :apple:TV.

Also the "TV Show" option for "video type" DOES still support tags like "Show", "Episode ID", 'Season" and "Episode" so one could opt to maybe split the display of their movie collection so that non-serial movies show in the "movie" menu and serialized ones are grouped together in the "tv show" menu. Personally, I see that as kind of kludgy and very unintuitive but it would give you a way to organize a big movie collection toward the elegance that one USED to be able to do it in a single category "movies" menu until Apple opted to make their "improvements."

I do suggest tagging commercial movies as "movie" instead of the seemingly default option "home movie", reserving the latter as a place to maybe store your actual home movies. For anyone that can care about their remarkably cinematic films of baby's first burp, etc, it IS pretty nice to be able to jump into a menu on :apple:TV and get right to the clip you want to watch. Conceptually, it's supposed to be like that: commercial movies in "movies", commercial TV show in "TV Shows" and amateur home movies in "home movies." Even tagging that way may split out the commercial from the amateur, the tv shows from the movies, etc to help you be slightly MORE organized in the display of them all.

For sorting, there are just a few options in some categories. Movies listed in movies will let you sort by a few options like "all" and "unwatched." A corporation chooses the sort options for us because obviously, corporations know best. But, there are SOME sorting options, so those may be helpful based on the kinds of sorting you want to do (and may influence where you decide to store your movies).

Lastly, if you try to work within the system and still feel too constrained, consider selling the "3" and buying a "4" or "5" and trying alternatives like Plex (app) and similar, which may better fit some wants in this direction than the Apple-decided defaults & constraints.

I hope this is helpful.
 
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Huh.. I use Subler to add subtitle files, and change audio track priority...never looked at it's tagging abilities.. I'll take a look. Thanks.
There is this magnifying glass on right corner of toolbar for this.
It can also fetch chapterdb but you need to add the respective button to toolbar first.
 
Thanks! Your post prompted me to do some experiments with my test files...

What I've found is that there's three choices for Video catagories, that each give one level of nested sorting.

Music Videos -> Sort by Artist

Movies -> Sort by Genre

TV Shows - > Sort by Series

You can do additional sorting of TV by season, but it doesn't nest.

So like I was trying putting marvel films into a series called Marvel, with Seasons 1 (Avengers) 2 (X-Men) and 3 (Spider-Man). Rather than giving me just Marvel in the TV Shows menu, to them go to a season sub menu, then to the "episodes", in the tv shows menu, it lists Marvel Season 1, Marvel Season 3, etc...
I added a bunch of series (just single videos) hoping it'd nest if the menu hit scrolling amounts, but no joy in mudville. (similarly, Music Videos doesn't give nested albums under artist).

I'll have to think how best to proceed.
(Getting a ATV4 or 5 isn't in the cards...this is a low cost/free project using what I have and what I've been gifted).
 
And this will create tags that iTunes/Atv will use?

Yes, It will create tags that make your files look like you purchased them digitally. I have been using this program for years and before this one, Everyone was using MetaX.

For tv shows, I use MetaTV. For the "HD" tag I use "HDTag"
 
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