Bugs and glitches experienced with the latest Ventura on a Mac Silicon

[Cham2000]

I'm on Ventura (13.2.1 then 13.3) since exactly two weeks now, on a whole new Mac mini M2 Pro with the Apple Studio display. I'm experiencing several glitches, bugs and annoying behaviors with Ventura. One single glitch (the mouse issue #3 below) may be related to the hardware (mouse, mini, BlueTooth,...), I don't know yet, but I suspect it's actually a Ventura issue. So, in random order:

1. In the Finder, a QuickLook on an animated gif file crashes QuickLook (have to force quit it with the Activity Monitor app). This bug is systematic on any animated gif file (not random). Some quality control has not been done properly at Apple!

2. Access to an external LaCie HD is slower than on an old Mac with Snow Leopard, whatever the USB-A or Thunderbolt cable that came with the drive. That drive was formatted using the standard HFS protocol of the Disk Utility app in Snow Leopard (maybe this is the cause of the issue with Ventura?). Watching a movie on the drive (using VLC) may give some random lags during play, while the same movie plays continuously (without any lag) on the *very old* Intel Mac with Snow Leopard. I was expecting a faster/smoother access to the drive with the new Mac.

3. Many mouse clicks are lost, randomly (Apple BT Magic mouse). May be a BT issue, but then the mouse motion and keyboard are working flawlessly. I suspect a Ventura issue or a mouse issue just for the clicks. This mouse glitch is particularly annoying in a multiplayer game (ioQuake 3)!

4. Double-clicking an external drive icon may (randomly) momentarily change the drive icon to a blue folder for about half a second, then the drive reset itself to its normal icon on the desktop. This issue isn't a real problem, but it's ugly, un-Mac style and the OS feels like an unfinished product. It's not "graceful" !

5. Waking the Mac and its Apple Studio display gives a small desktop that quickly stretches itself to the size of the display (in less than half a second). This is ugly and doesn't feel like a "graceful" Mac/OS!

6. The settings/prefs pane may (randomly) freezes on some settings windows. Have to quit and relaunch the pane.

7. In the settings/prefs pane, some window have truncated text at the right (I'm using the localized French version), while the window can't be resized. In another window, a large button is truncated at the bottom of the window (that can't be resized neither). I didn't checked if version 13.3 solved this aesthetical glitch yet, since these windows are lost somewhere in the numerous settings windows...

8. Many apps in full screen mode (VLC, for example) give no visible window if I switch app (using command-tab) then return to the full screen app. I have to quit the full screen mode (using command-F, for example), then return back to full screen, to get the app's extended window. This is annoying! It may be a bug with the concerned apps instead of a bug in Ventura, but my intuition tells me it's a Ventura issue since it happens frequently with several apps in full screen mode.

9. Minimizing Finder windows in icons view (using alt-clicking on the green button) systematically give a window that is too large, vertically, compared to the window's content. The extra useless vertical space at the bottom is annoying, as I much prefer to get the smallest window possible while showing all the files/folders inside the parent folder.

10. The Notification Center blurs the desktop background behind the widgets (unless you remove the transparency effect in the settings pane). This is cool, but scrolling the widgets (i.e moving the vertical content of the NC) will "chop" the blur effect on the top background icons in an ugly way. This aesthetical glitch is ugly and feels like Ventura is unfinished or not "polished".

11. Scrolling a long list of music items in the Music app may randomly add a temporary black background on some items in the list. This aesthetical bug is ... ugly as puke! Also, moving/scrolling an item with the mouse to the top (or bottom) of the list is very slow and laggy/jerky, while the scrolling should smoothly accelerate after some delay. It's very difficult to move an item near the top or the bottom of a long list of songs, and some black bars may also randomly appear while moving the item in the list with the mouse. Feels like an unfinished product, or a badly programmed piece of software!

12. The Stage Manager may have inconsistent or unpredictable behaviors, when clicking on the desktop background.

13. I'm using a custom background texture for the login screen. When the user session is closed to the login screen, we could see the default Ventura picture (the vivid yellow flower) for half a second before the custom background fills the screen. This glitch is very ugly and deceiving. Feels again like an unpolished OS.

Did others have experienced some of these issues with Ventura?

 

[fisherking]

i would call apple, but #1: it's been happening for a while (randomly) here and for others, and i've reported it several times on the feedback app. #2: how old is the drive? have you tried running disk repair on it? #3: not experiencing that. try changing something in mouse settings (ie 'tracking speed'... see if that 'jumpstarts' things.

too long a list (for me) but again: i'd call apple, let them help sort things out...

 

[Cham2000]

i would call apple, ...
too long a list (for me) but again: i'd call apple, let them help sort things out...

Most items in my list are aesthetical glitches in Ventura. I don't think a call to Apple would help. I'm crossing my finfgers that an update to Ventura would fix'em, but I doubt it, considering the low quality control at Apple these days.

Do you confirm the glitches #10 and #11?

 

[fisherking]

Most items in my list are aesthetical glitches in Ventura. I don't think a call to Apple would help. I'm crossing my finfgers that an update to Ventura would fix'em, but I doubt it, considering the low quality control at Apple these days.

Do you confirm the glitches #10 and #11?

don't agree about 'low quality control', every mac OS ever has had issues. meanwhile, am working without any intrusive problems on ventura on both of my macs... so am happy (but still want things fixed of course).

i don't use notification center or applemusic, so... no thoughts.

and if it were me, i'd still call apple; nothing to lose.

 

[Cham2000]

i don't use notification center or applemusic, so... no thoughts.

What app are you using to play music on your Mac?

 

[fisherking]

What app are you using to play music on your Mac?

spotify (& works fine on both macs). i'd still say, call apple; maybe something's up between the mac & the display? either way you have new apple products, and apple support at your fingertips. put it to use...

 

[ChazMacs]

Curiously, I'm also on 13.3, on a Mac Studio with a Samsung M8 monitor. I experience none of the issues you describe. Haven't tried Quicklook on an animated GIF, but all the others... I don't have the issues. Could it be related to the monitor? Or something else in your system? I have a ton of apps, extensions, etc loaded, and so far am quite happy.

 

[fisherking]

the quicklook behavior has been reported by myself & others; it's an OS issue. hasn't happened in a while here tho (but still needs to be fixed)

 

[Yebubbleman]

i would call apple, but #1: it's been happening for a while (randomly) here and for others, and i've reported it several times on the feedback app. #2: how old is the drive? have you tried running disk repair on it? #3: not experiencing that. try changing something in mouse settings (ie 'tracking speed'... see if that 'jumpstarts' things.

too long a list (for me) but again: i'd call apple, let them help sort things out...

What is calling Apple going to do? When you call the AppleCare number you get a level one person who knows even less about the issue you're having than you do; the level two person they transfer you to will know only slightly more but have just as little ability to do anything. They do not transfer you past that point. You are literally stuck dealing with one of those two tiers of "expertise". It's not like they have a direct line on anyone in engineering. In fact, the "Engineering Team" is intentionally as isolated from customers as much as possible. They very clearly do not care about our problems.

don't agree about 'low quality control', every mac OS ever has had issues. meanwhile, am working without any intrusive problems on ventura on both of my macs... so am happy (but still want things fixed of course).

i don't use notification center or applemusic, so... no thoughts.

Your stance about macOS not having low quality control is immediately contradicted by saying that every macOS version has had issues. It would stand to reason that there are issues in every macOS release DUE TO low quality control.

Furthermore, your assessment of Ventura's own quality control is solely based on your own experience (and you admit that you don't use the features that the OP uses and is having issues with).

Just because your experience with Ventura isn't hot garbage doesn't mean that macOS Ventura isn't hot garbage. Good for you that you are happy with it, but that doesn't change how it is at large.

Apple's quality control with macOS has gone downhill ever since they shifted to an annual release cycle. Since shifting to that release cycle (starting with OS X 10.9 Mavericks), there have been only a handful of really stable releases that are free of the kinds of bugs that you'd think shouldn't exist in an OS that is twenty-two years old and most of those bugs are things that were working just fine in a previous version of macOS.

I know Apple apologism is all the rage on these forums, but it's time to at least admit that the quality control on macOS sucks.

and if it were me, i'd still call apple; nothing to lose.

Except time, which, in many of our cases, is also money. Do note that feedback.apple.com is also only so useful.

 

[Cham2000]

Your stance about macOS not having low quality control is immediately contradicted by saying that every macOS version has had issues. It would stand to reason that there are issues in every macOS release DUE TO low quality control.
...
Apple's quality control with macOS has gone downhill ever since they shifted to an annual release cycle. Since shifting to that release cycle (starting with OS X 10.9 Mavericks), there have been only a handful of really stable releases that are free of the kinds of bugs that you'd think shouldn't exist in an OS that is twenty-two years old and most of those bugs are things that were working just fine in a previous version of macOS.

I know Apple apologism is all the rage on these forums, but it's time to at least admit that the quality control on macOS sucks.

Geez I'm so glad that you wrote this! I agree fully with this! It's obvious to me that the quality control of MacOS has decreased with the 5 previous years.

 

[kenm22]

I wholeheartedly agree with Yebubbleman's analysis of AppleCare _ "What is calling Apple going to do?"
It used to be that the unhelpful Apple person was the exception. Now the exception is the helpful person. The level of competence of Apple support staff has diminished substantially. So has the level of service in the Apple Stores which I have found to often be staffed by arrogant and unhelpful, even confrontational, people.

I know it's hard to get help these days, much less good help, but it would seem that staff is not being adequately trained. Some, but certainly not all, are pleasant enough but pleasant doesn't solve your problem.

I also agree that Apple software quality has slipped quite a bit. Yes, all new operating systems have problems and things are more complicated, but we don't need a new OS every year. It would be much better if we had a new one every two years with the extra time being spent fine tuning the OS and getting rid of the bugs. Remember the Tiger OS, 10.4 when it went as far as 10.4.11?

 

[fisherking]

What is calling Apple going to do? When you call the AppleCare number you get a level one person who knows even less about the issue you're having than you do; the level two person they transfer you to will know only slightly more but have just as little ability to do anything. They do not transfer you past that point. You are literally stuck dealing with one of those two tiers of "expertise". It's not like they have a direct line on anyone in engineering. In fact, the "Engineering Team" is intentionally as isolated from customers as much as possible. They very clearly do not care about our problems.



Your stance about macOS not having low quality control is immediately contradicted by saying that every macOS version has had issues. It would stand to reason that there are issues in every macOS release DUE TO low quality control.

Furthermore, your assessment of Ventura's own quality control is solely based on your own experience (and you admit that you don't use the features that the OP uses and is having issues with).

Just because your experience with Ventura isn't hot garbage doesn't mean that macOS Ventura isn't hot garbage. Good for you that you are happy with it, but that doesn't change how it is at large.

Apple's quality control with macOS has gone downhill ever since they shifted to an annual release cycle. Since shifting to that release cycle (starting with OS X 10.9 Mavericks), there have been only a handful of really stable releases that are free of the kinds of bugs that you'd think shouldn't exist in an OS that is twenty-two years old and most of those bugs are things that were working just fine in a previous version of macOS.

I know Apple apologism is all the rage on these forums, but it's time to at least admit that the quality control on macOS sucks.



Except time, which, in many of our cases, is also money. Do note that feedback.apple.com is also only so useful.

yikes.

in my experience, apple support has been useful the few times i've needed it (screen-sharing helped). but i guess complaining is better than trying to do something.

and every OS (not just apple's) has issues; hence, we see a continued history of updates & fixes. OS development is just that... something in constant development.

just because your experience with Ventura is 'hot garbage' doesn't mean that macOS Ventura is hot garbage. your experience doesn't speak for everyone; there is a world full of people on the OS working & enjoying their macs.

mac os development has been on an annual release cycle for a very-long time; in that time, the company (and the user-base) has grown considerally, and the OS (for better or worse; i'd say 'mostly better') has also gotten more complicated. nature of the beast. but i can get thru to someone at apple any time i call, and have had support on macs well-past applecare expiration... and i appreciate that.

 

[Cham2000]

I also agree that Apple software quality has slipped quite a bit. Yes, all new operating systems have problems and things are more complicated, but we don't need a new OS every year. It would be much better if we had a new one every two years with the extra time being spent fine tuning the OS and getting rid of the bugs.

I agree with this too, but I believe Apple is leaving buggy OSs on purpose to force the users to constantly upgrade the OS, up to the point that they'll also need to upgrade their hardware too. Apple's strategy (of creating a new OS each year) is to move the carrot in front of our face. It's a long run strategy to make more profits. Ca$h, more ca$h constantly! Apple today is not the Apple I knew and loved 10 years ago. I hate the ugly monster that Apple has become, since the death of Steve Jobs. I hate the direction Apple chose with Tim Crook...

But please, lets be back on topic. I would like to hear about the bugs you're experiencing with Ventura, and if you also experienced some of the bugs/glitches I listed in my first message above.

 

[fisherking]

I agree with this too, but I believe Apple is leaving buggy OSs on purpose to force the users to constantly upgrade the OS, up to the point that they'll also need to upgrade their hardware too. Apple's strategy (of creating a new OS each year) is to move the carrot in front of our face. It's a long run strategy to make more profits. Ca$h, more ca$h constantly! Apple today is not the Apple I knew and loved 10 years ago. I hate the ugly monster that Apple has become, since the death of Steve Jobs. I hate the direction Apple chose with Tim Crook...

But please, lets be back on topic. I would like to hear about the bugs you're experiencing with Ventura, and if you also experienced some of the bugs/glitches I listed in my first message above.

so ridiculous, and all speculation. how does it benefit apple to 'force' the user to upgrade from one buggy OS to the next? 🤣 (again, there are always bugs; it's an endless process to upgrade, fix, tweak, and fix again).

and apple is a corporation, not your best friend; it's apple's job to do well, and i'm glad for that; i want them to be around for a long time.

apple didn't suddenly change when Jobs passed; they had a long-term game plan before that, and have evolved since. easy to romanticise the past, or try to blame Cook (or anyone) for things progressing...

anyway, the real world is (for me, anyway) the place to be, and imagined offenses, theories (especially the conspiracy kind) or just... boring...

 

[svenmany]

Most items in my list are aesthetical glitches in Ventura. I don't think a call to Apple would help. I'm crossing my finfgers that an update to Ventura would fix'em, but I doubt it, considering the low quality control at Apple these days.

Do you confirm the glitches #10 and #11?

I can confirm #10. I cannot confirm #11.

Your entire list is typical of Apple quality. For a senior developer/designer I'd given them an F. For a junior developer, I might give them a B. But, it all usually works for me (I can work around the issues) and if your standards are low enough you can be happy (or not even notice).

 

[Cham2000]

I can confirm #10. I cannot confirm #11.

Your entire list is typical of Apple quality. For a senior developer/designer I'd given them an F. For a junior developer, I might give them a B. But, it all usually works for me (I can work around the issues) and if your standards are low enough you can be happy (or not even notice).

Thanks. I can work around all these issues so far. These bugs and glitches are just very annoying (yes, I do have high standards!). I was used to Snow Leopard (10.6.8), which is/was a very good OS with only very few occasional bugs in the Finder. I used this old OS for more than 12 years and never had any issue with it! Now on Ventura, I feel this OS is highly unpolished. But hey, it's just 13.3 yet. So I hope Apple will fix everything in the next updates. But I'm realist (or pessimistic, depending on the point of view): I bet most issues will never be fixed, considering the path Apple has taken (a whole new OS each year!? Come on, Apple! We don't need that).

EDIT: About #11, I suspect the black bars bug may be related to the dark mode I'm using. I didn't checked if this bug also occurs in the Music app with the default white mode. Personally, I find the white mode too agressive on the eyes, on a large monitor as the ASD.

 

[svenmany]

EDIT: About #11, I suspect the black bars bug may be related to the dark mode I'm using. I didn't checked if this bug also occurs in the Music app with the default white mode. Personally, I find the white mode too agressive on the eyes, on a large monitor as the ASD.

I switched to dark mode. I can now confirm one part of #11. It's pretty unpleasant; I don't get any lag but it's very jittery when scrolling.

I have brand new M2; maybe that's why I don't get any lag.

-- edit --

I just noticed you have a brand new M2 as well. Not sure why I don't see lag and you do.

 

[Cham2000]

I switched to dark mode. I can now confirm one part of #11. It's pretty unpleasant; I don't get any lag but it's very jittery when scrolling.

I have brand new M2; maybe that's why I don't get any lag.

I have a new mini M2 Pro. By lags, I mean a very slow and jerky motion, unpleasant. It's hard to properly scroll while dragging an item in the list.

 

[svenmany]

I have a new mini M2 Pro. By lags, I mean a very slow and jerky motion, unpleasant. It's hard to properly scroll while dragging an item in the list.

Should refresh the thread before I edit my post

I don't see any "slow", just jerky. What do you mean by "dragging an item"?

 

[svenmany]

Should refresh the thread before I edit my post

I don't see any "slow", just jerky. What do you mean by "dragging an item"?

I think I'm being an idiot. Are you referring to manipulating a playlist?

 

[Cham2000]

I think I'm being an idiot. Are you referring to manipulating a playlist?

Yes, exactly. Changing the order of list items, dragging a song to the top, for example. Dragging the item if painfully jerky, slow or awkward. And frequently, the bug that "add" some black bars (within the dark mode) on random items in the list, is really ugly!

 

[Yebubbleman]

yikes.

in my experience, apple support has been useful the few times i've needed it (screen-sharing helped). but i guess complaining is better than trying to do something.

Apple support hasn't been helpful in several years. I only call them when I literally have no other option (because I have hit a roadblock due to not having the tools they have). I don't complain because I haven't tried doing something. I complain because I HAVE tried and found that it is far from helpful.

Incidentally, I have 27 Apple Certifications dating as far back as Snow Leopard and all the way through to the present day. I also have my JAMF 200 and 300. If anything, I generally can school the level 2 person who STILL is unable to send any worthwhile feedback to any person on the dev/engineering side of the house to tell them that they have an issue that needs resolving.

But please do tell me more about how I'm whining instead of doing something productive. I'd LOVE to hear your thoughts on how I'm being an Apple customer wrong.

and every OS (not just apple's) has issues; hence, we see a continued history of updates & fixes. OS development is just that... something in constant development.

When I, as both a user, an IT professional, experience bugs in version 13 of an operating system that wasn't in version 12, or bugs in version 13 that have been there for the last five versions, but was 100% fine before that, that's not simply a side-effect of "constant development".

That's breaking things that worked before when they were working just fine and then not going back to double-check to make sure that you didn't break stuff. There are bugs in Mail in Ventura that weren't present in Monterey. There are bugs in Books that weren't present in Monterey. And mind you, Monterey had different bugs that weren't in Big Sur. Similarly, Catalina had bugs that weren't in Mojave and there was no reason for those bugs to be there because the applications that the bugs were in were working fine and if there were changes needed to be made, those changes ought to not have impacted in such a way to produce outward facing bugs like that!

Windows 10 came out in 2015. There was only one version that I personally had issues with (1709) and one that was so famous for issues that it had to be pulled and then re-released a month later (1809). Minor issues in 1903 and 1910 that were pretty much patched within the first patch Tuesday. As both a user and IT professional, I see that as "constant development" that didn't entail breaking things that weren't broken before (at least not for any longer than two months). Compare that to Apple's annual cycle, and it's night and day with Apple not looking favorable.

I'm not pro-Windows/Microsoft any more than I'm pro-Apple. I'm pro-whichever-one-is-giving-me-fewer-headaches-as-a-consumer-and-as-a-technical-support-professional. Microsoft is winning right now. I know this is a heavily pro-Apple forum, but let's at least be honest about the reality of Apple's quality control record here.

just because your experience with Ventura is 'hot garbage' doesn't mean that macOS Ventura is hot garbage. your experience doesn't speak for everyone; there is a world full of people on the OS working & enjoying their macs.

My personal experience with Ventura isn't hot garbage. If Mojave and El Capitan score a 10 (in a 1 to 10 scale where 10 is perfectly stable and 1 is unusable), Ventura would score a 7.5. Incidentally, so would Monterey. Big Sur would've been a 9.2. However, I've read enough about bugs and glitches and the hot garbage experiences that others have had with Ventura and Monterey that I'd be reluctant to call them decent operating systems free of the kinds of bugs and glitches that Mojave, El Capitan, and Big Sur all seemed to be free of.

But I'm also not of the mind that my experience with these things is all that matters the way that most Apple apologists on here seem to be.

Just because there are several macOS Ventura users out there that only use Safari to browse Facebook and YouTube, doesn't mean that SMB wasn't broken or that bugs existed in the MDM framework or that Mail has some seriously dumb usability glitches. That's like saying that "poor people don't exist because I am rich and can't see them from my massive Beverly Hills mansion". Good for you, but also, your positive experience doesn't invalidate others negative experiences just because you are not experiencing them. But, then again, being someone whose job and life are about supporting the experience of people who aren't me, I have to take all of that into account.

mac os development has been on an annual release cycle for a very-long time; in that time, the company (and the user-base) has grown considerally, and the OS (for better or worse; i'd say 'mostly better') has also gotten more complicated.

We've been on the annual release cycle for a decade as of this summer. And yes, a more complicated OS will breed greater complexities in development and maintenance. It's almost like the former fact exacerbates issues springing from the latter fact! You just proved that the annual release cycle is a BAD thing and MORE likely to produce bugs and glitches.

nature of the beast. but i can get thru to someone at apple any time i call, and have had support on macs well-past applecare expiration... and i appreciate that.

What is it that you are calling them for, outside of queuing repairs or running diagnostics tools that you do not have access to, that you are getting such exemplary service? I'm grateful that I do not need to be an enterprise customer in order to receive North American support. However, past that, and I'm not entirely sure what they're doing for me, especially when I'm reporting problems with the OS that neither them nor I can fix.

i know that whining and ranting is popular on these forums (ok, lol, on the internet in general). but imagine if we replaced that with discussion, requests for help, and actual help... 🤔

Oh really? Again, I'd LOVE to hear how replacing legitimate gripes and complaints with a buggy OS with "discussion" (as though a bunch of us in a thread sharing our respective Ventura horror stories ISN'T discussion) and requests for help when none of us are qualified to solve issues that only Apple's macOS team can actually solve the issues that prompted this thread to begin with!

Surely that will resolve all of our issues with quality con- whoops! I forgot that we're not allowed to use those words here! Silly me! Let's be constructive about how little control we have over the quality of an OS that a decade ago had FEWER quality control issues than Windows rather than MORE. Surely Apple will listen! They can do no wrong, after all!

In all seriousness, this isn't a problem of having the wrong attitude about legitimate issues with an operating system running on hardware that costs a decent amount of money. This is a problem with quality control, plain and simple.

so ridiculous, and all speculation. how does it benefit apple to 'force' the user to upgrade from one buggy OS to the next? 🤣 (again, there are always bugs; it's an endless process to upgrade, fix, tweak, and fix again).

Planned obsolescence. No one asks for new operating systems every year. Ask any iPhone user on the street if they want a new version of iOS, most will either shrug or say "do I have to?". Same goes for macOS users. Both iOS and macOS have matured to the point where

and apple is a corporation, not your best friend; it's apple's job to do well, and i'm glad for that; i want them to be around for a long time.

apple didn't suddenly change when Jobs passed; they had a long-term game plan before that, and have evolved since. easy to romanticise the past, or try to blame Cook (or anyone) for things progressing...

anyway, the real world is (for me, anyway) the place to be, and imagined offenses, theories (especially the conspiracy kind) or just... boring...

 

[svenmany]

Apple support is a mixed bag for me. Maybe 60% of the time they have nothing useful for me. 30% of the time the give me some hint that can help me solve the problem on my own. 10% of the time they are spot on. I don't have the actual stats, that's just my impression.

Generally, if the problem is complex enough that the initial contact person has to pull in the next level, it's hopeless. It has always been beyond their abilities. But they do try hard.

BTW, I'm not really distinguishing between hardware and software support. My memory is not good enough to remember the actual details of each support request. They are committed to providing hardware support since I always have AppleCare. Software support is complimentary, so I'm usually less upset when they fail with it. Unfortunately, it can be hard sometimes to tell what's a hardware problem or a software problem.

 

[svenmany]

I saw another glitch today that speaks to the OP's main point that Ventura is a bit messy. It happened in the weather app (nothing to do with the problems with the weather service since that was working fine).

I opened the weather app and accidentally clicked and dragged as I was repositioning my mouse on the desktop. I think I clicked on the Air Quality panel. Up popped the detail window, but it was just a blank frame (beautifully translucent). I couldn't make it go away. I then clicked on the Air Quality panel again and the real content showed up, overlaying the blank frame. When I closed that popup, the blank frame remained. I couldn't make it go away; I had to restart the weather app.

This is the kind of stuff I say "so what" to. The weather app is quite beautiful and I enjoy using it. But, it's hard not to be continually disappointed in Apple's lack of attention to details.

 

[svenmany]

And Music drives me crazy. This is different than the issue with jittery dark mode.

Whenever I visit an artist, I want to view all the albums of that artist at once. Sometimes I can and sometimes I can't. Here's an example (and I'd love it if someone could confirm that they see the same inconsistency).

Go to "Rickie Lee Jones". I see, next to "Albums", a small ">" that allows me to see a 2x2 grid of the albums.

Go to "Joan As Police Woman". That ">" is missing. The only way to see the albums is to scroll left and right. I can never just see them all. I would never whine about it here, but I scream inside every time.

That inconsistency is just careless.

I don't really see any point to calling support or putting a suggestion on that feedback site. I feel like that effort would add to my frustration. (Need to talk to a therapist to figure out why.) It's like, when I see Russia invading Ukraine, it would be so aggravating to go to Putin's feedback site and give him some polite, constructive criticism.