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Camino gets yet another UI overhaul
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This is great! Camino has adapted all of the great things from Safari, and kept the great things that it has always had! And it still is the best looking browser out there! 
I keep switching between Safari & Camino, but I use Safari the most since it has a built-in spell checker (handy for these forums). Once Camino gets that spell checking capability then I'll switch back to it in a second.
It's great to see the that Camino's development has picked up again. When Safari was released it seemed that there was virtually no development on Camino.
It's great to see the that Camino's development has picked up again. When Safari was released it seemed that there was virtually no development on Camino.
The thing that keeps me on Safari is the stability of the program. And I'm not talking about whether the browser crashes or not. I'm talking about how Phoenix/Firebird/Firefox gets a name change every 2 seconds. I'm talking about how Chimera/Camino gets a name change every 5 seconds. The interface for each program changes almost as often as the name. The location of bookmark files and the actual bookmark file formats ALSO change very often, and isn't standard across all Gecko browsers -- Firefox (or whatever it's called this week) and Mozilla both have some HTML-style format for bookmarks, while Camino (or whatever THAT'S called this week) just changed from an XML-based bookmarks file format (that was different from Mozilla/Firefox's format) to a plist-based format similar to Safari's bookmark file format (but still different from Safari's, and STILL different from Mozilla/Firefox's format).
Note to The Mozilla Foundation: such churn and change in browsers is NOT good, contrary to whatever bizarre belief you have within your company. I'm not adopting any of your browsers full time until you're willing to commit to a name, an interface, a bookmark file location, and a bookmark file format (especially since I actually have to deal with all those different formats/locations).
Note to The Mozilla Foundation: such churn and change in browsers is NOT good, contrary to whatever bizarre belief you have within your company. I'm not adopting any of your browsers full time until you're willing to commit to a name, an interface, a bookmark file location, and a bookmark file format (especially since I actually have to deal with all those different formats/locations).
mac15 said:One name change for camino, sounds like every 5 mins to me too ...
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And just in case...
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(And if you don't remember, there was also that short period of time where the name for Chimera/Camino was actually just "Navigator".)
I have always wondered why one company makes 3 browsers? netscape, camino and firefox. why not just concentrate on one and make it really good? never understood this.
Camino is much improved for me since 0.7.0. I stopped using it after I installed Panther on this machine. I just installed Panther on older machine with Camino and that is working better, so it's mostly that Apple did some interesting things.
I was concerned about the change in bookmark keeping, but they've gone two different ways. Firefox or Camino? I don't know. They're both useful and about as efficient as the other.
I was concerned about the change in bookmark keeping, but they've gone two different ways. Firefox or Camino? I don't know. They're both useful and about as efficient as the other.
i am all for us helping Apple make Safari better. It is Open Source right? well, i ain't a programmer,but if i were... Safari is anyways my default browser.
simX said:
Don't worry Camino won't change their name again. Legal issues caused the name change from Chimera to Camino, to prevent any further name conflicts they TM'ed Camino.
I love Camino and use it most of the time but it is FAR to unstable. Its the only program which crashes on a regular basis. but i just love the UI of 0.7. Also, this is the third time the UI has changed in 1 month or so. why dont they focus on the frequent crashes?
ok, I will ask again...
why 4 browsers from one sw company? why not just concentrate on 1 and put all coding efforts into one. I think then we might get the perfect browser.
yes/no?
why 4 browsers from one sw company? why not just concentrate on 1 and put all coding efforts into one. I think then we might get the perfect browser.
yes/no?
blue&whiteman said:ok, I will ask again...
why 4 browsers from one sw company? why not just concentrate on 1 and put all coding efforts into one. I think then we might get the perfect browser.
yes/no?
It's not "one company" like you're thinking. The Mozilla Organization is... I don't know, kind of like a non-profit company/org (someone correct me if I'm wrong). But it's groups of volunteer developers that actually make the products. Each product has a different goal. At first there was just Mozilla, to be a (browser+mailer+other stuff) replacement for Netscape Communicator. It's cross-platform and all-inclusive. Camino takes the core code and optimizes it for Mac OS X, and gives it a native GUI. Originally Firefox (Firebird, whatever else it's been called) was a fit n trim browser-only app for Windows, but now it's the slim browser for every platform.
And Netscape? Come on--Netscape (the product) was just what AOL Time Warner called Mozilla when they added some AOLTW tie-in links and called it a commercial (freeware) product. AOLTW *owns* Netscape (the name/company) which funded the Mozilla project until recently.
I know this story (and the open source picture in general) isn't always clean-cut or obvious, but a little background research (e.g. http://www.mozilla.org/about/) couldn't hurt, eh?
blue&whiteman said:ok, I will ask again...
why 4 browsers from one sw company? why not just concentrate on 1 and put all coding efforts into one. I think then we might get the perfect browser.
yes/no?
Netscape doesn't count anymore. Development ceased long ago. AOL bought Netscape and spun off Mozilla into a non-profit company, but kept the Netscape brand name. They primarily wanted the Netscape.com portal more that the browser. They now have a Netscape ISP (http://www.getnetscape.com/index.adp?promo=NS_2_5_7_2004_4_47).
Firefox and Thunderbird are Mozilla, but streamlined, with separate apps for browser and mail. The idea is to develop them into pure, simple apps that function on their own. Then later they can re-integrate them into Mozilla again if they choose.
Camino is a spin-off to make a more Mac-friendly version of Mozilla/Firefox. Mozilla/Firefox was made with Windows PCs in mind first and foremost. When it was called Phoenix they had ZERO plans of even making Firebird for OS X. That was a recent change in philosiphy. So now Camino is a supposed to be the more Mac-like gecko brower.
Until reading this I was using Firefox, having not heard ANYTHING on Camino's development since Safari came out in early beta. It looks ugly as sin compared to Firefox or Safari. I like that the tabs each have their own close button now like in Safari (Firefox needs to adopt this approach IMHO). Promissing. I will stay tuned.
And with all these Gecko browsers running arond it's still nice to remember that Opera and Omniweb both have promissing betas of their own out right now. You can never have too many browsers that aren't IE, right?
Now can someone explain why I get a separate copy of Opera with every installation of a Macromedia app? Couldn't the installers just put one in the Applications folder and tell you not to delete it? (Or, better yet, imbed it in the app's package so I never have to see the thing.)