can anyone help with mac os tiger server? (powermac G3)

[JACK...]

Hi

first off i know tiger is very old but i mainly want to just have some fun with it and do a few time machine backups as a tempry solution.

I have a B&W powermac g3 curently running, while i am testing i just have a 60gb ide hard drive hooked up but plan to add two 1tb sata drives in raid one if i can get this working how i want to.

my problem is that time machine does not want to work onto any drive on teh " Server" i have my user accounts and privalges set up and working as i can just use the drive normally using copy and paste. when i have the protocol set to AFP the drive is not even recognised by time machine unless i change the protocol to SMB and then slect it and change back to AFP. when i try time machine it just fails aftr trying to start. i thougt my problem may be solved by enabling network mounting of the share point but the option is greyed out.

sorry for the long explaination.

does anyone have any suggestions of what to try?

Thanks
Jack

 

[eyoungren]

Hi

first off i know tiger is very old but i mainly want to just have some fun with it and do a few time machine backups as a tempry solution.

I have a B&W powermac g3 curently running, while i am testing i just have a 60gb ide hard drive hooked up but plan to add two 1tb sata drives in raid one if i can get this working how i want to.

my problem is that time machine does not want to work onto any drive on teh " Server" i have my user accounts and privalges set up and working as i can just use the drive normally using copy and paste. when i have the protocol set to AFP the drive is not even recognised by time machine unless i change the protocol to SMB and then slect it and change back to AFP. when i try time machine it just fails aftr trying to start. i thougt my problem may be solved by enabling network mounting of the share point but the option is greyed out.

sorry for the long explaination.

does anyone have any suggestions of what to try?

Thanks
Jack

I've been where you are. I have a G3/450 running Tiger Server with a 2TB external RAID (attached via eSATA).

First problem: Tiger Server does not recognize sparebundles. Even if you got this working perfectly, Tiger Server is going to see your sparesebundle as a set of folders. If you need to restore, the restoring Mac will see a sparesbundle but because it's stored on the server as a series of folders the restore will fail. You're also going to run into problems moving that folder around on the drive - permissions issues.

Second problem: As you have discovered, modern Macs are only using SMB now. If you still want to use TM to back up to the server, you're going to need to create sparseimages first. Do this on some other drive the modern Mac supports. Move that image to the server. THEN run the TM backup. You can't create the disk image over the network, it will fail every time.

I have only one suggestion and that is to either upgrade to Leopard Server (which you cannot do on a G3) or forget about TM backups altogether.

I'm using Carbon Copy Cloner. It works, it works over AFP, and it uses sparseimages.

 

[JACK...]

I've been where you are. I have a G3/450 running Tiger Server with a 2TB external RAID (attached via eSATA).

First problem: Tiger Server does not recognize sparebundles. Even if you got this working perfectly, Tiger Server is going to see your sparesebundle as a set of folders. If you need to restore, the restoring Mac will see a sparesbundle but because it's stored on the server as a series of folders the restore will fail. You're also going to run into problems moving that folder around on the drive - permissions issues.

Second problem: As you have discovered, modern Macs are only using SMB now. If you still want to use TM to back up to the server, you're going to need to create sparseimages first. Do this on some other drive the modern Mac supports. Move that image to the server. THEN run the TM backup. You can't create the disk image over the network, it will fail every time.

I have only one suggestion and that is to either upgrade to Leopard Server (which you cannot do on a G3) or forget about TM backups altogether.

I'm using Carbon Copy Cloner. It works, it works over AFP, and it uses sparseimages.

Thanks for the reply, its very helpful.

after reading what you have put i think i will just use the g3 as general storage and have a seperate syetm for time machine myabe a mac mini g4 or somehting like that, my eventull plan is to get an xserve but i hevent found the rigth one yet.

thanks again
jack

 

[eyoungren]

Thanks for the reply, its very helpful.

after reading what you have put i think i will just use the g3 as general storage and have a seperate syetm for time machine myabe a mac mini g4 or somehting like that, my eventull plan is to get an xserve but i hevent found the rigth one yet.

thanks again
jack

To be honest, I am rethinking my backup strategy as well. My server has been off since the beginning of August. I rebooted it this week and now two of my Macs are having problems opening the sparesbundles that CCC created.

I may end up just using my server for file sharing and media as well. As much as I wish this to work, as I get older I am less tolerant of problems. I've never had to really use my backups (except perhaps once this year) and the problems I've had may be indicative of major headaches they could cause if I do need to restore.

 

[JACK...]

To be honest, I am rethinking my backup strategy as well. My server has been off since the beginning of August. I rebooted it this week and now two of my Macs are having problems opening the sparesbundles that CCC created.

I may end up just using my server for file sharing and media as well. As much as I wish this to work, as I get older I am less tolerant of problems. I've never had to really use my backups (except perhaps once this year) and the problems I've had may be indicative of major headaches they could cause if I do need to restore.

i think the main issue with all of this i tiger but obvisouly cant go amy higher on a g3.

i used to use a usb drive connected to an airport extreme which worked really well for time machine but there was no raid on the drive and it eventully failed.

maybe a solution would be to backup to a airport extreme and then move the backups onto the g3 i will have to try it.