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MrMister111

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I need to clear some space as I only have around 10Gb free and am getting pauses and slow response at times on my 13 Pro.

I think I should have a bit more space just to give iOS an bit breathing space.

So, I don’t have any Music or podcasts downloaded, yet podcasts is using 400Mb of “documents and data”, and music app over 1Gb of “documents and data”. I can’t see how to flush this cache or whatever it is either.

Is this possible? and why is it keeping this much Gb use with no downloads?

Thanks
 
Unsure. My Music app is using 113Mb with 2 downloaded songs and Podcasts is using 212Mb with zero downloads. I just stream all music and podcasts on my iPhone. You should consider the “optimise photos” feature to create more space.

Look at clearing your Safari history too for additional space.
 
Unsure. My Music app is using 113Mb with 2 downloaded songs and Podcasts is using 212Mb with zero downloads. I just stream all music and podcasts on my iPhone. You should consider the “optimise photos” feature to create more space.

I only stream to so can’t understand. I have optimise on as well that’s up to 8Gb on Photos but can’t do much with that as have a big library.

I’m just going through apps, deleting ones never use, and checking the “documents and data” in others
 
Well deleted the music app. It still showed using 1Gb “documents and data”.

Restarted iPhone, still showed in settings>iPhone storage and the app wasn’t there but still showed using 1Gb.

Reinstalled music app, and is still using 1Gb+ with no downloaded music….
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Many apps continuously build up a bigger and bigger hidden cache file that you don’t have access to. To delete these garbage files, delete the app then reinstall it again from the App Store.
 
Many apps continuously build up a bigger and bigger hidden cache file that you don’t have access to. To delete these garbage files, delete the app then reinstall it again from the App Store.

Tried that with the music app. Hasn’t worked
 
Probably will never clear Music. And guessing similar situation for Podcasts.

Going to use up space just with the databases that manages album lists, playlists, artists, etc. On my Mac, that eats up about 80MB.

On iOS, the space used by Music is buried within Apple space and appears to be a "static" space to maintain above DBs plus artwork, the actual music files (when present), and whatever else is needed to keep in-sync with Mac or subscriptions (Match, Music).

What iMazing returns for the untouchable space, which matches with About > Storage returns.
 

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Well deleted the music app. It still showed using 1Gb “documents and data”.

Restarted iPhone, still showed in settings>iPhone storage and the app wasn’t there but still showed using 1Gb.

Reinstalled music app, and is still using 1Gb+ with no downloaded music….
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Documents and Data include everything outside of the app bundle. This includes their /tmp and /caches folders.

Cache data is to improve system, network and battery performance plus minimize wear on the flash from writes due to repeating data and remove issues caused by flakey network conditions.

Apps determine what and how much they cache. The apps themselves will tend to only replaced cache data with new cached data. Its rare that an app will delete its own cache without a good reason. Free storage space = wasted storage space.

iOS can also purge an apps cached data. This is only done if it detects a low storage condition though. And even then it tries to be smart about it. Apps you haven't used in a while for example. Randomly deleting something that will likely be cached again in an hour isn't beneficial to the system.

Usually anything streamed at a fix bitrate will just be cached incase you want to play it again. Since there is no difference in streaming and downloading a fixed bitrate there is no reason to immediately toss it once you play it. If you end up playing it again iOS doesn't need redownload the track, lyrics, artwork etc and rewrite them to the flash, it just replays the first copy.

The algorithms apps replace their cached data falls entirely up to them. A music app might look at play count and only overwrite the songs with 1 play in the last 30 days avoiding to remove the song you listen to 5 times a day. A podcasts app might cache an entire playlist on wifi while charging. Apple apps can adjust their storage footprint dynamically as well so instead of 2gb of music they will retain 1gb in cache.

Meanwhile many web based apps will cache their normal assets since they are used every single time you use the app. For example downloading the facebook logo and page layout 50 times a day isn't a smart use of data.

As far as performance goes, 10GB is MORE than enough free storage for an iPhone. You only start seeing performance issues caused by flash storage when its around ~1gb or less. This is because iOS is constantly trying to make space while you are still receiving data and using apps that are writing temp and cache files.
 
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