Definitely no pros

[croco_dile]

After using the 13" TB MBP for the past month and reading many mixed reviews, I personally am very happy with the purchase – it's build quality is second to none, and coming from a 2011 MBA, the new 13" strikes perfect balance between weight/size and power, As I also have a LG 27UD88 (USB C with hub), I am able to avoid the need for too many dongles. BUT I am no pro user and its clear that the 13" and even the 15" are not designed for pro users. They have way too many compromises in order to be lighter and thinner.

Apple need to fix its product lines. It is getting so fragmented and confusing.
- The 12" MB should be called the MBA
- The 13" MBP should remain in its current form but just be called the MB
- The 15" MBP needs to be redesigned to be a real Pro machine with more grunt, more ports and more battery.

Of course, Apple won't do any of these.

 

[melman101]

Yet again, people are misrepresenting the definition of pro skewed to their own view. Pro could absolutely mean anything. I use the 13" Touchbar as my only / work machine. I'm a database administrator / system administrator and it does everything I need. Would you say I am not a professional?

 

[croco_dile]

You don't need to be using a machine with "Pro" in the name to be a 'professional'.

As far as I am concerned, you will be satisfied with a MBP from the past 2-3 years. An MBA could also be sufficient if all you run is Terminal.

But Pro users at the top end are much more demanding with their needs, and the top end 2016 MBP do not meet those.

 

[WhiteWhaleHolyGrail]

After using the 13" TB MBP for the past month and reading many mixed reviews, I personally am very happy with the purchase – it's build quality is second to none, and coming from a 2011 MBA, the new 13" strikes perfect balance between weight/size and power, As I also have a LG 27UD88 (USB C with hub), I am able to avoid the need for too many dongles. BUT I am no pro user and its clear that the 13" and even the 15" are not designed for pro users. They have way too many compromises in order to be lighter and thinner.

Apple need to fix its product lines. It is getting so fragmented and confusing.
- The 12" MB should be called the MBA
- The 13" MBP should remain in its current form but just be called the MB
- The 15" MBP needs to be redesigned to be a real Pro machine with more grunt, more ports and more battery.

Of course, Apple won't do any of these.

I'm sorry but without further explanation from you it just sounds like a wish list based on your preferences and requirements.

A 'pro's' needs vary from person to person - imagine the differing needs of a video editor and a software engineer. In general terms Apple's current line-up caters to light users and power users with the MB and MBP respectively. Where things start to make no sense is expecting desk top performance in a highly mobile machine like the MBP - doesn't exist anywhere.

 

[EndlessBuffoonery]

After using the 13" TB MBP for the past month and reading many mixed reviews, I personally am very happy with the purchase – it's build quality is second to none, and coming from a 2011 MBA, the new 13" strikes perfect balance between weight/size and power, As I also have a LG 27UD88 (USB C with hub), I am able to avoid the need for too many dongles. BUT I am no pro user and its clear that the 13" and even the 15" are not designed for pro users. They have way too many compromises in order to be lighter and thinner.

Apple need to fix its product lines. It is getting so fragmented and confusing.
- The 12" MB should be called the MBA
- The 13" MBP should remain in its current form but just be called the MB
- The 15" MBP needs to be redesigned to be a real Pro machine with more grunt, more ports and more battery.

Of course, Apple won't do any of these.

I'm genuinely amazed at how much time you people spend worrying about the names of Apple's products. The name of the product doesn't change what it is. If they decided to call the 13" MacBook Pro a MacBook, what would be different about your specific computing needs and about the way the 13" MacBook Pro is designed? Not a damn thing. So what the **** does it matter whether the "Pro" nomenclature as Apple uses it fits the specific definition you think it should? It literally doesn't matter at all.

Also, why does no other company get this kind of endless bitch-fest over naming schemes?

"I really like the Pixel XL but their naming scheme doesn't make any sense to me. They should be called the Pixel and the Pixel L. It's certainly a large phone but it's not an extra large phone. Look at how many other phones there are that are bigger. Of course Google won't make this change despite how absurd it is for them to pretend that their larger phone is extra large. ****ing idiots."

 

[croco_dile]

I'm genuinely amazed at how much time you people spend worrying about the names of Apple's products. The name of the product doesn't change what it is. If they decided to call the 13" MacBook Pro a MacBook, what would be different about your specific computing needs and about the way the 13" MacBook Pro is designed? Not a damn thing. So what the **** does it matter whether the "Pro" nomenclature as Apple uses it fits the specific definition you think it should? It literally doesn't matter at all.

Also, why does no other company get this kind of endless bitch-fest over naming schemes?

Its not all about the names, but the names will help improving clarity of the product offering. You seem to have missed one point from my post which is:
"- The 15" MBP needs to be redesigned to be a real Pro machine with more grunt, more ports and more battery."

 

[raqball]

Apple needs to rename and reprice their current lineup... What makes sense to me?

- Axe the Air
- 12" Macbook m3 starts at $999
- 13" nTB MacBook Pro simply becomes the 13" MacBook and starts at $1399
- 13" TB and all 15" are labeled with the Pro tag.

This would leave Apple with a 12" and a 13" MacBook option along with a 13" and 15" Pro option..

 

[EndlessBuffoonery]

Its not all about the names, but the names will help improving clarity of the product offering. You seem to have missed one point from my post which is:
"- The 15" MBP needs to be redesigned to be a real Pro machine with more grunt, more ports and more battery."

You missed my point. There's nothing unclear about the naming scheme. The 13" and 15" MacBook Pro are the most powerful computers you can buy which simultaneously maintain good weight/size/thermal management/etc. If you have special needs you can buy a special needs computer. But you can't find any computer (let alone another professional oriented computer) that combines the portability and computing power that the new MacBook Pros have. There simply is no better combination of hardware available in this form factor.

 

[cityboy-100]

Two people on my team have 13" 4-port models.

We just hired a new engineer and unanimously agreed to order him/her the 2015 model mbp. We just can't trust the new MacBook to deliver when there is work to accomplish.

The graphics are not dependable. Who has time for this?
The keyboard is not suitable for all-day use.
The battery life is questionable at best, not suitable for all-day use.

Maybe in a year the manufacturing quality will be fixed, but some of the product decisions are just disappointing for people who make things with their computers.

 

[melman101]

You don't need to be using a machine with "Pro" in the name to be a 'professional'.

As far as I am concerned, you will be satisfied with a MBP from the past 2-3 years. An MBA could also be sufficient if all you run is Terminal.

But Pro users at the top end are much more demanding with their needs, and the top end 2016 MBP do not meet those.

I also am an iOS and Java developer running Netbeans. Does this qualify in your terms as "professional".

LOL.

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Anyhow... just because you don't think it's a pro machine doesn't mean that aligns with other people's views, including Apple's.

 

[croco_dile]

I also am an iOS and Java developer running Netbeans. Does this qualify in your terms as "professional".

LOL.

Never doubted or questioned, until I read this.

 

[UnluckyXIII]

But Pro users at the top end are much more demanding with their needs, and the top end 2016 MBP do not meet those.

The MBP has always been a compromise between performance and portability, the 2016 MBP is the most capable MBP to date so I'm not really sure what you mean?

 

[croco_dile]

The MBP has always been a compromise between performance and portability, the 2016 MBP is the most capable MBP to date so I'm not really sure what you mean?

How so? its performance improvement is marginal - in real world test. It took away ports that the Pros depend o,n and its battery life is noticeably worse. And lastly, it offers no real innovation after 4 years.

 

[WhiteWhaleHolyGrail]

How so? its performance improvement is marginal - in real world test. It took away ports that the Pros depend o,n and its battery life is noticeably worse. And lastly, it offers no real innovation after 4 years.

Yes because 'pros' fall apart when they have to use a few new cables and/or dongles until the tech world catches up. Some pros...

 

[CaptRB]

People should learn what the word "professional" means.

In the case of the Mac, ANY of their computers can be used professionally. Most of the people complaining are not professionals, they are hobbyists.

A high end post production studio here in LA (and with a location in NYC) is now running the new MacBooks. I'm using them for jewelry photography and screenwriting. My wife is a wound care specialist and she's using it. My son was playing a game on one of them this morning.

Usage varies. Professional, hobbyist, student...it either works for you or it doesn't. I don't know a single person who gives a whoop about the price, except on forums. There is nothing better than the 2016 MacBook Pro 13" TB for the current price. It's the sweet spot. And while I think the 15" could be 200 dollars cheaper, it's still worth the money for a lot of people....as brisk sales prove.


R.

 

[PhoneI]

After using the 13" TB MBP for the past month and reading many mixed reviews, I personally am very happy with the purchase – it's build quality is second to none, and coming from a 2011 MBA, the new 13" strikes perfect balance between weight/size and power, As I also have a LG 27UD88 (USB C with hub), I am able to avoid the need for too many dongles. BUT I am no pro user and its clear that the 13" and even the 15" are not designed for pro users. They have way too many compromises in order to be lighter and thinner.

Apple need to fix its product lines. It is getting so fragmented and confusing.
- The 12" MB should be called the MBA
- The 13" MBP should remain in its current form but just be called the MB
- The 15" MBP needs to be redesigned to be a real Pro machine with more grunt, more ports and more battery.

Of course, Apple won't do any of these.

And yet here I am using it for work. I guess by your definition Im no 'pro".

 

[Zazoh]

I used to classify computers as being best for consuming content, iPads - and producing content Macs ... but I've used my iPad to produce in the past.

They are all part of a tool kit, the only difference in all the devices is how fast they are able to transform 0s and 1s the real designation of "pro" is WHO is driving, not WHAT they are driving.

 

[fox10078]

Wow, thanks for this info, I'll call my clients so they can hire someone else with a real pro machine.

I mean honestly how myopic are you that you can't see peoples definition of pro vary. For me 4 thunderbolt ports is out of this world and makes my professional workflow much better, all those other ports are basically useless to me, So am I not a pro?

I mean hell those Dell and HPs and Razer(LOL) everyone keeps touting as a better machines have only one thunderbolt port, which would be useless for my workflow, So I guess by your logic those are not pro machines either.

Or maybe just maybe everyones needs are different and casting a judgement like that makes you look rather foolish.

 

[leman]

BUT I am no pro user and its clear that the 13" and even the 15" are not designed for pro users. They have way too many compromises in order to be lighter and thinner.

Your post is 10 years too late. Apple doesn't make gaming laptops. And Its not like the competition is offering anything better.

 

[Zellio]

Apple needs to rename and reprice their current lineup... What makes sense to me?

- Axe the Air
- 12" Macbook m3 starts at $999
- 13" nTB MacBook Pro simply becomes the 13" MacBook and starts at $1399
- 13" TB and all 15" are labeled with the Pro tag.

This would leave Apple with a 12" and a 13" MacBook option along with a 13" and 15" Pro option..

Macbook is now Macbook Crap
Macbook Pro is now Macbook I can't believe it's not touchscreen edition
Macbook Mini is now Beg us for an update
Mac Pro is now The trashcan has gone in the trash
Imac is now Please don't look at the Surface Studio

And I love how many people are kissing ass to redefine the pros name in this topic alone..

 

[sarc]

Its not all about the names, but the names will help improving clarity of the product offering. You seem to have missed one point from my post which is:
"- The 15" MBP needs to be redesigned to be a real Pro machine with more grunt, more ports and more battery."

You seem to be missing the point that not every "Pro" need these ports. I sure don't and I'm a pro.
I had a 2011 MBP (until I got the new 2016 version) I never used the Ethernet port not once. I never used the Firewire or thunderbolt ports and I never used the superdrive. Does this make me not pro??

Sorry to call ******** but you really have no idea what "pros" use to get **** done.
Also no pro needs any more computing power than a 2015 mbp could give them so asking for even more is just stupid and uninformed. Because if you did your research you would find apple used the most powerful chips on the market.

 

[mrex]

Your post is 10 years too late. Apple doesn't make gaming laptops. And Its not like the competition is offering anything better.

But surely they love to use the gaming to show how much faster their new mbps are and how much better the experience will be with new mbps:

 

[Howard2k]

Yet again, people are misrepresenting the definition of pro skewed to their own view. Pro could absolutely mean anything. I use the 13" Touchbar as my only / work machine. I'm a database administrator / system administrator and it does everything I need. Would you say I am not a professional?

Yes. Unless you're doing 9 hour video renders or multi-million line code projects while running 4 VMs you're simply not a professional. Sorry.

 

[leman]

But surely they love to use the gaming to show how much faster their new mbps are and how much better the experience will be with new mbps:

Your point being? Gaming is a common benchmark of GPU performance. And MBP's graphical compute performance is top-tier in its respective class. The only way to improve the graphics in this class is either to downgrade the CPU (like what Microsoft is doing) or to dedicate all the budget to the cooling (e.g. Blade).

 

[melman101]

Yes. Unless you're doing 9 hour video renders or multi-million line code projects while running 4 VMs you're simply not a professional. Sorry.

Hahahahahaha I guess so.

And apparently responding to a post disqualifies me from being a professional as well.

Oh well, to each their own. This forum is getting a bit ridiculous I must say. I used to come here to get worthwhile tips and tricks and deliver sound advice, not fight over whether or not I am a professional, or whether or not the name of a computer is justified as pro or not.

Anyway, whatever. LOL. Point being, I think the 13" is an amazing computer, MacBook, MacBook Pro, MacBook Space Grey, MacBook TB, whatever the hell they want to call it. Doesn't matter to me. I purchase based on what the computer can do, not what they name it.