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Pretty sure we will see them very soon, there are a lot of leakers that assessed this information. As its only new feature is rumored to be M2 Pro/Max (and probably 6E support), I won’t upgrade but psop le should definitely hold off at this point
I agree, I’m definitely holing on for the refresh.
 
Do you live in the USA? If not, Apple might jack up the prices for the M2 versions in your case.
 
We always get shafted in the UK, so your comment is not surprising.
Thought you said you lived in the States in your other thread. ;)

Guess you decided to return the M1 14" MBP due yesterday. Good move. It's what I would have done (unless it had been an amazing price), though it looks like you might be waiting a bit longer from this article which you have prob seen.
 
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Odds are next year after Mac mini M2 & iMac M2.

Only other Mac I expect to see is by December is the 2022 Mac Pro M1 Ultra as the current Mac Pro is from December 2019.
 
Nov 15 the news MacBook Pros will be announced. I have a source in Redmond, WA.
 
I might get one if GPU perf is 50% better and it is a 12 core CPU.

I will get one if that above is the case and it gets hardware ray tracing.
 
Does everyone think its a good idea to wait or take advance of a sale on a M1 Pro?
 
hope dies last buy yes you are right chances are slim.

The only way to get it would be the added boost from 3nm and that probably wont happen this year.

Global supply issues and inflation are going to continue to be a worldwide issue next year because of Russia. I wouldn't hold my breath.
 
I both hope we see M2s and also will not buy one, as I just got my M1 Pro in April or so. I just still like picking through the details of all the hardware refreshes.
 
That's the plan, now that the keyboards are fixed and the form factor is more rugged. Not to mention power to spare for a good long time.
If I was you I'd wait until 2031 to replace it. Going with the next Mac after the last macOS Security Update.
 
TSMC N3E isn't expected until 2023 so unless you want a sidegrade 5nm M2 then wait.
 
TSMC N3E isn't expected until 2023 so unless you want a sidegrade 5nm M2 then wait.


How do you interpret this as a side grade?!

Looking at Anandtech’s deep dive, the A15 (from which M2 is design process derived) demonstrates to be a very nice upgrade over A14 (quite significant actually).

CPU performance increase on the P-cores alone went from 2.5% to 37.5% https://www.anandtech.com/show/16983/the-apple-a15-soc-performance-review-faster-more-efficient/2

Generational average improvements from A14 went up 17-20% on average.
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The performance gains for the E cores over A14 are impressive too with substantial gains on average 23% with IPC gains of 10% over A14.

It looks even more impressive when you consider that Anandtech compared with an Android middle core and not just the efficiency core. In effect the performance of the E cores on A15 better align with the performance of the S888 A78 middle core at a fraction of the power consumption.
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In GPU terms, A15 is 30-40%+ faster than A14. M1 —> M2 already shows significant GPU performance improvement.

Again all of this speaks nothing to improved neural engine performance improvements, ISP improvements, etc…

Back to my original question, why the side grade comment relative to M1 - do you know something that Anandtech doesn’t?

Interested to understand your thought process.

Thanks and have a great day.
 
Pretty sure we will see them very soon, there are a lot of leakers that assessed this information. As its only new feature is rumored to be M2 Pro/Max (and probably 6E support), I won’t upgrade but people in the market for a new Mac should definitely hold off at this point

I just bought a MBP14 this week, the apple store staff strongly implied that the update would be slight/marginal, and when I showed them the deal I got saving $1K on it, they said take that deal, it would be silly not to. The upgrade might also not occur until next year, and I needed a solution sooner.
 
Thought you said you lived in the States in your other thread. ;)

Guess you decided to return the M1 14" MBP due yesterday. Good move. It's what I would have done (unless it had been an amazing price), though it looks like you might be waiting a bit longer from this article which you have prob seen.
This was my deal on the MBP14 that saved me $1000, was too good to pass up and the unit has done well in my testing:

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Does everyone think its a good idea to wait or take advance of a sale on a M1 Pro?
The corporate apple staff and those in 3 retail stores all said the upgrade would be marginal, and would not be worth waiting possibly months for the new refresh. If you can get your hands on an amazing deal like I posted above, grab it.
 
Global supply issues and inflation are going to continue to be a worldwide issue next year because of Russia. I wouldn't hold my breath.
This and the resultant inflation also factored into my thinking/consideration about whether to pull the trigger now or wait. I think as a premium-priced company, apple is going to raise prices at each level significantly next year (see what's happening in Britain right now?) so acquiring a machine at a discount now seemed the best option.
 
Thought you said you lived in the States in your other thread. ;)

Guess you decided to return the M1 14" MBP due yesterday. Good move. It's what I would have done (unless it had been an amazing price), though it looks like you might be waiting a bit longer from this article which you have prob seen.
The other thread to which you link here is actually by a different member, someone also using the word London as part of his user name...... The OP here is from and lives in the UK, per his various posts.
 
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