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Misleading thread title, but still.

Have a S5 Ceramic that has 80% battery life. Setup a return to Apple, paid the $80, received the box, shipped the watch to Apple.

It was received today, and less than an hour later, received a text that the "repair" had been made and it was being shipped back.

I have the "couldn't duplicate the issue" diagnosis, and the original product shipped back.

So, question is. How can you actually receive battery service, if you meet the threshold of 80%? I could call in or do a chat session, but that's no guarantee service would be actually performed, correct?
 
Misleading thread title, but still.

Have a S5 Ceramic that has 80% battery life. Setup a return to Apple, paid the $80, received the box, shipped the watch to Apple.

It was received today, and less than an hour later, received a text that the "repair" had been made and it was being shipped back.

I have the "couldn't duplicate the issue" diagnosis, and the original product shipped back.

So, question is. How can you actually receive battery service, if you meet the threshold of 80%? I could call in or do a chat session, but that's no guarantee service would be actually performed, correct?
I’m somewhat confused by what you’re saying, Apple does not perform “service”, they replace your watch with a refurb one.
 
Apple should be ashamed of themselves. They do not stand behind the apple watch. My watch was rejected for repair because there was dust/dirt in the microphone port. A friend had her battery expand and fail, it was rejected for repair. what a waste of time and energy apple repair is.
 
You’ll get a refurbished version. They don’t repair your actual watch.

Yes, I'm aware of that. They are sending me back my watch, without performing service.
 
I’m somewhat confused by what you’re saying, Apple does not perform “service”, they replace your watch with a refurb one.

Yes, I'm aware they don't swap batteries; but they replace the watch. Apple didn't replace mine despite 80% battery life.
 
Yes, I'm aware they don't swap batteries; but they replace the watch. Apple didn't replace mine despite 80% battery life.
So in your original post you said the cannot duplicate the issue, sounds to me that they determine health is above 80%?
Did you talk to Apple before sending io in? Go to an Apple Store?
I’d contact support to understand what happened
 
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It's possible they didn't replace it because the battery health wasn't less than 80%. I've seen similar stories where Apple was very strict about the "less than 80%" requirement.
 
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I had a months long dispute with Apple over my S5 that I wanted to get a battery replacement for, as I had to charge it twice per day already.
But Apple said NO - battery was at 80% "only". It needs to be at 79% or less for Apple to "allow" the user to pay for a battery replacement.
Even me complaining with high(er) level managers a t Apple - "why don't you fix my watch even though I'm happy to pay you for it" ended nowhere. The process is what it is and no flexibility.

Then, finally, it was at 79%. I happened to be near an Apple store, walked in, wanted to just leave it there for repair. No, I had to wait 3 hours for a technician to be available to 'analyze'. I said I don't need the watch back urgently, analyze what you want, even if it takes you 3 weeks I'm ok with that, and I'll pay for it of course. NO, somebody has to 'analyze' it, or they won't even take it from me. Again management complaints, no success.

Then I called Apple support from home. They did some remote analysing, then 'allowed' me to get my watch fixed, then sent me a seriously HUGE box by UPS (!) containing another smaller box, containing a tiny box, with detailed instructions of how to pack my AW and return it to them to a foreign country - again via UPS.

I got a refurbished S5 back 10 days later. Again in a HUGE box, containing a smaller box, containing an even smaller white box with an Apple logo, and inside the new/refurbished AW5.

So that worked eventually.

But: what an incredibly SILLY process, wasting resources, time, money, and not really customer friendly. And Apple having to 'allow' customers to get a battery replacement, or not, ist the biggest scandal. Why can't I get a new battery, even if at let's say 85%, but if I'm dissatisfied with how long it lasts already, if I'm perfectly happy pay for it???

This is by far the stupidest process of Apple's that I'm aware of.
 
I had a months long dispute with Apple over my S5 that I wanted to get a battery replacement for, as I had to charge it twice per day already.
But Apple said NO - battery was at 80% "only". It needs to be at 79% or less for Apple to "allow" the user to pay for a battery replacement.
Even me complaining with high(er) level managers a t Apple - "why don't you fix my watch even though I'm happy to pay you for it" ended nowhere. The process is what it is and no flexibility.

Then, finally, it was at 79%. I happened to be near an Apple store, walked in, wanted to just leave it there for repair. No, I had to wait 3 hours for a technician to be available to 'analyze'. I said I don't need the watch back urgently, analyze what you want, even if it takes you 3 weeks I'm ok with that, and I'll pay for it of course. NO, somebody has to 'analyze' it, or they won't even take it from me. Again management complaints, no success.

Then I called Apple support from home. They did some remote analysing, then 'allowed' me to get my watch fixed, then sent me a seriously HUGE box by UPS (!) containing another smaller box, containing a tiny box, with detailed instructions of how to pack my AW and return it to them to a foreign country - again via UPS.

I got a refurbished S5 back 10 days later. Again in a HUGE box, containing a smaller box, containing an even smaller white box with an Apple logo, and inside the new/refurbished AW5.

So that worked eventually.

But: what an incredibly SILLY process, wasting resources, time, money, and not really customer friendly. And Apple having to 'allow' customers to get a battery replacement, or not, ist the biggest scandal. Why can't I get a new battery, even if at let's say 85%, but if I'm dissatisfied with how long it lasts already, if I'm perfectly happy pay for it???

This is by far the stupidest process of Apple's that I'm aware of.
Was the replacement in better condition than your initial watch?
 
Update.

Received the original watch Friday evening. Let it charge overnight.

Paired it to my phone at 7 am this morning. By 1 pm, it was at 22%. I've not worked out today, no third party apps installed. I started a chat session with apple, who had a service rep call me, who walked me through a bunch of things. The watch went down another 10% while we were on the phone.

She set up a repair process, but Apple wants $857 up front to even look at the watch now.

She did say in the notes from the original service request their diagnosis showed 83% battery life, not the 80% that I saw before sending it in. I have no idea why I was shown one figure, and they saw something different.

Honestly, I guess I just keep wearing the watch until it crosses the magic 80% threshold. Thing is, it's a calculated risk: it might take a long time for that to happen, or a future watchOS update "calibrates" the battery differently...or Apple refuses service on the watch because it is of a certain age (probably the biggest concern here).

If this were a stainless watch, or Apple kept making ceramic watches, then I wouldn't even care at this point. But as it stands, Apple probably will never make another ceramic watch, given their sales figures (more than likely) pretty low. I'd like for it to be useful for more than 7 hours a day for as long as I can wear it.
 
Yes. I think you just keep wearing the watch until the health is below 80%. I just received service for a Watch whose health was showing 75%. I took it in person to a store, where the Genius paired it with one of their phones to verify. After that, no questions asked...I got a replacement for $80.
 
I had a months long dispute with Apple over my S5 that I wanted to get a battery replacement for, as I had to charge it twice per day already.
But Apple said NO - battery was at 80% "only". It needs to be at 79% or less for Apple to "allow" the user to pay for a battery replacement.
Even me complaining with high(er) level managers a t Apple - "why don't you fix my watch even though I'm happy to pay you for it" ended nowhere. The process is what it is and no flexibility.

Then, finally, it was at 79%. I happened to be near an Apple store, walked in, wanted to just leave it there for repair. No, I had to wait 3 hours for a technician to be available to 'analyze'. I said I don't need the watch back urgently, analyze what you want, even if it takes you 3 weeks I'm ok with that, and I'll pay for it of course. NO, somebody has to 'analyze' it, or they won't even take it from me. Again management complaints, no success.

Then I called Apple support from home. They did some remote analysing, then 'allowed' me to get my watch fixed, then sent me a seriously HUGE box by UPS (!) containing another smaller box, containing a tiny box, with detailed instructions of how to pack my AW and return it to them to a foreign country - again via UPS.

I got a refurbished S5 back 10 days later. Again in a HUGE box, containing a smaller box, containing an even smaller white box with an Apple logo, and inside the new/refurbished AW5.

So that worked eventually.

But: what an incredibly SILLY process, wasting resources, time, money, and not really customer friendly. And Apple having to 'allow' customers to get a battery replacement, or not, ist the biggest scandal. Why can't I get a new battery, even if at let's say 85%, but if I'm dissatisfied with how long it lasts already, if I'm perfectly happy pay for it???

This is by far the stupidest process of Apple's that I'm aware of.
how long ago was this? I have a 5 aluminum and wondering if they even have any 5 left to replace or if they would maybe give me an upgraded watch. mine is at 77%
 
Update.

Received the original watch Friday evening. Let it charge overnight.

Paired it to my phone at 7 am this morning. By 1 pm, it was at 22%. I've not worked out today, no third party apps installed. I started a chat session with apple, who had a service rep call me, who walked me through a bunch of things. The watch went down another 10% while we were on the phone.

She set up a repair process, but Apple wants $857 up front to even look at the watch now.

She did say in the notes from the original service request their diagnosis showed 83% battery life, not the 80% that I saw before sending it in. I have no idea why I was shown one figure, and they saw something different.

Honestly, I guess I just keep wearing the watch until it crosses the magic 80% threshold. Thing is, it's a calculated risk: it might take a long time for that to happen, or a future watchOS update "calibrates" the battery differently...or Apple refuses service on the watch because it is of a certain age (probably the biggest concern here).

If this were a stainless watch, or Apple kept making ceramic watches, then I wouldn't even care at this point. But as it stands, Apple probably will never make another ceramic watch, given their sales figures (more than likely) pretty low. I'd like for it to be useful for more than 7 hours a day for as long as I can wear it.
so, did they ask you to send in your watch before they do anything? could the $857 be the CC hold because they send you a replacement?

Apple uses a different tool to determine battery health than we have access to, so there's potential for discrepency

when you setup your AW, did you restore from backup or set up as new?
 
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so, did they ask you to send in your watch before they do anything? could the $857 be the CC hold because they send you a replacement?

Apple uses a different tool to determine battery health than we have access to, so there's potential for discrepency

when you setup your AW, did you restore from backup or set up as new?

The $857 was not a hold. I was instructed to pay the price, and they would send me a box to ship them the watch. I receive an email from apple:

To finish processing your request, please click this button and provide payment information. This transaction will expire on 2023-08-15.



As I understand it, after reading up on similar experiences from others, it was a full charge for replacing a ceramic S5. As stated by the rep, if the actual repair cost was lower, then I would be refunded the difference. It's possible the rep misunderstood what was happening, and it was a full watch replacement, but she insisted that was not the case. When I told her the payment portal very clearly stated I was to be charged the full amount, she canceled the entire thing. We then setup a visit to my local Apple store where allegedly they can witness the battery drainage themselves, and according to the rep, they could "escalate" a battery replacement (yes, I'm aware that Apple doesn't actually replace the battery). But I have my doubts.

This morning, I used the backup of it when I set it up (has no third party apps, etc). On a whim, I'll go ahead and un pair it tomorrow and set it back up as new watch, but I'm not too hopeful.

Funny thing; I have an Ultra, an S8 and S7. None of these have any battery issues; usually the S7 and 8 will lose, on average, 1-3% per hour. The Ultra can go 3 days or so.

All of my watches are setup identically app wise. Yet the S5 (sure, it's an older, slower CPU, and an older battery as well, and watchOS changes over the years) shouldn't drain the battery as much as it does. But it really started doing so this past winter, and I felt it was time to see if Apple would replace the battery. Obviously, Apple feels different.
 
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The $857 was not a hold. I was instructed to pay the price, and they would send me a box to ship them the watch. I receive an email from apple:

To finish processing your request, please click this button and provide payment information. This transaction will expire on 2023-08-15.




As I understand it, after reading up on similar experiences from others, it was a full charge for replacing a ceramic S5. As stated by the rep, if the actual repair cost was lower, then I would be refunded the difference. It's possible the rep misunderstood what was happening, and it was a full watch replacement, but she insisted that was not the case. When I told her the payment portal very clearly stated I was to be charged the full amount, she canceled the entire thing. We then setup a visit to my local Apple store where allegedly they can witness the battery drainage themselves, and according to the rep, they could "escalate" a battery replacement (yes, I'm aware that Apple doesn't actually replace the battery). But I have my doubts.

This morning, I used the backup of it when I set it up (has no third party apps, etc). On a whim, I'll go ahead and un pair it tomorrow and set it back up as new watch, but I'm not too hopeful.

Funny thing; I have an Ultra, an S8 and S7. None of these have any battery issues; usually the S7 and 8 will lose, on average, 1-3% per hour. The Ultra can go 3 days or so.

All of my watches are setup identically app wise. Yet the S5 (sure, it's an older, slower CPU, and an older battery as well, and watchOS changes over the years) shouldn't drain the battery as much as it does. But it really started doing so this past winter, and I felt it was time to see if Apple would replace the battery. Obviously, Apple feels different.
Thanks for sharing all of this.
Reason I had asked about backup is that I’ve read multiple threads here where people restored from backup and had issues. Not suggesting that’s the case here.

I was under the impression that Apple can run some diagnostics remotely, incl battery health, but, in think in your case a visit to the store is the better option.

Hope things will go better for you at the store, keep us posted please
 
Thanks for sharing all of this.
Reason I had asked about backup is that I’ve read multiple threads here where people restored from backup and had issues. Not suggesting that’s the case here.

Update. Fully charged overnight. Put it on at 8 am this morning at 100%, by 10 am, I was down to 84%...doing nothing.

So, I'm going to unpair and set back up as a new watch to see if that makes a difference today. Maybe it will, but I'm not crossing fingers here.
 
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Update again.

Unpaired the watch, setup as new. Put it on at 7 am this morning at 100%, no workouts, no third party apps, turned off all background refresh, turned off Siri, put on a simple face and......as I type this, I'm at 46% of the battery in 9 hours. So, using only Apple apps, turning off as much stuff and using it as a timepiece only I can't meet the 18 hour threshold that Apple advertises, but they won't replace the battery since it is at 83% health. Later today, I'll do a 30 or 45 minute workout on my Peloton, so...that will drain it even further. Maybe the watch will get 12-13 hours out of a full charge.

Yeah, it's a first-world problem, and I do have multiple watches. But the original issue still remains---I'm willing to pay for a battery (watch) replacement, but Apple won't do it, because my battery is healthy. Unless, of course, I pay the $857.
 
But Apple said NO - battery was at 80% "only". It needs to be at 79% or less for Apple to "allow" the user to pay for a battery replacement.
What's weird is this, at least used to be, a very flexible rule. I've replaced watches well over 80% health.

Then I called Apple support from home. They did some remote analysing, then 'allowed' me to get my watch fixed,
Was going to say, making an appointment at Apple or calling/chatting their support line, both just do remote diagnostics. I always save time and just do it through support.

She set up a repair process, but Apple wants $857 up front to even look at the watch now.
Yeah, that's the full replacement fee of the S5 Ceramic Edition. They want $800 for my S3 Edition too. I could buy a used one for like $200 lol. Sadly S5 Editions are holding their value, so i'm giving up on buying one until people start to realize they're overpaying. People still buy them for $500-700.

She did say in the notes from the original service request their diagnosis showed 83% battery life, not the 80% that I saw before sending it in. I have no idea why I was shown one figure, and they saw something different.
When you factory reset a watch then pair it again, it will go through the indexing phase and re-calculate the battery health. A trick people used to try to get better battery life out of iPhones was to backup, factory reset, then restore, but it doesn't really work like that.

As stated by the rep, if the actual repair cost was lower, then I would be refunded the difference.
This is true, if the watch was "inspected" (and, by this, I mean they'd preform another diagnostic) and any errors came up, they'd replace the watch probably under some warranty of sorts and cancel the $800 hold. But if you're complaining of battery health, and they see it's at 83%, they'll determine it to be "good" and replace it for the $857 replacement price.

Honestly, I guess I just keep wearing the watch until it crosses the magic 80% threshold. Thing is, it's a calculated risk: it might take a long time for that to happen, or a future watchOS update "calibrates" the battery differently...or Apple refuses service on the watch because it is of a certain age (probably the biggest concern here).
Yeah, keeping it until it hits 79% is your best move I think. That's the only mark Apple will replace it at. I mean if you really wanted to expedite it, you could probably leave it on overnight with the flashlight on (leaving the screen full brightness until it dies) and just run out the battery over and over again adding on cycles to degrade it.

Or you could also get an AppleCare+ plan on the watch, which requires a physical inspection I think. Then just take out one of the "Accidental Damage" claims on it for $89 and get a replacement.


I get the 79% rule can suck, but it's there to avoid just anyone from saying "hey my battery sucks" and getting a new unit even if they don't need one. Think of it like this: if the rule didn't exist, Apple wouldn't have a replacement for you when you do eventually hit 79% health.


I'll add in my experience replacing a Series 5 Edition battery:

I bought a Series 5 Titanium off eBay for like $200 maybe a year or two ago. The battery health showed something like 86%, but it was pretty bad. The battery would last a day just barely. I contacted Apple Support, they ran a diagnostic, and said "Yeah.. take this to the Apple Store." so I took it in, they run another diagnostic, and it throws a faulty ambient light sensor warning. Apparently my ambient light sensor was going haywire, causing the display to always be at full brightness. They replaced it under warranty, and I got a brand new Edition for free.

I lucked out, I know they'd want the full replacement cost if I didn't get that error code. Just have to try again another time I guess!
 
I get the 79% rule can suck, but it's there to avoid just anyone from saying "hey my battery sucks" and getting a new unit even if they don't need one. Think of it like this: if the rule didn't exist, Apple wouldn't have a replacement for you when you do eventually hit 79% health.
I think it should be up to the user to determine whether or not a battery 'sucks', and not Apple telling the user he doesn't need one.
If my battery is at - let's say - 84%, and I have to charge it 2 times each day, then for me it sucks, big time.
If I then ask the manufacturer for a paid battery replacement, then they should just do it, without educating me that I don't need it. And refusing to do it.

They can then still analyze it upside down left to right, and tell me a sensor is broken or whatever, and that not the battery needs to be replaced but the sensor. And tell me how much replacing it would cost, and then I decide if I want to proceed or not.

Also, it's great that they send a replacement - but why? A refurbished watch means they are in fact able to replace a battery, so why don't they just do that with my watch, instead of sending me a different one? This would also reduce the need for having complete replacement units available.

All in all, I still don't see WHY Apple is schoolmasterly making it so complicated to get a battery replacement, if a user wants it, and pays for it.

For me, there is only one thinkable explanation: they don't send refurbished but new watches, because in fact they can't replace batteries nor parts, or it would be hugely expensive compared to what a user could be requested to pay for 'battery replacement', and/or sending a new one costs them basically nothing, whereas manual refurbishment costs a lot.

An by means of this 'process', they want to avoid users from getting aware that there is a great method for getting a brand new watch, almost for free.
 
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