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So I hate to ask this question but I cannot find a definite answer. Does the YouTube app (not YouTube TV) get HDR via the Apple TV? If yes, how do you get it because I never see the HDR badge on my Sony OLED when playing YouTube content. Thanks for any thoughts.
 
Yes. Some videos ars on hdr. But mostly demos which shows the colors etc of your tv 😂
 
So I hate to ask this question but I cannot find a definite answer. Does the YouTube app (not YouTube TV) get HDR via the Apple TV? If yes, how do you get it because I never see the HDR badge on my Sony OLED when playing YouTube content. Thanks for any thoughts.
2021 Gen 2 and 2022 Gen 3 of Apple 4K TV support VP9 playback with YouTube app. You can see 4K HDR content on some YouTube videos. Setup your ATV4K to use 4K HDR by default not 4K Dolby Vision. If you have both Match Dynamic Range and Match Frame Rate enabled it will automatically switch from SDR to HDR to DV for 4K content for different streaming apps. YouTube doesn't support DV, but you still select 4K HDR as your default output.

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2021 Gen 2 and 2022 Gen 3 of Apple 4K TV support VP9 playback with YouTube app. You can see 4K HDR content on some YouTube videos. Setup your ATV4K to use 4K HDR by default not 4K Dolby Vision. If you have both Match Dynamic Range and Match Frame Rate enabled it will automatically switch from SDR to HDR to DV for 4K content for different streaming apps. YouTube doesn't support DV, but you still select 4K HDR as your default output.

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You don't need to set your default output as 4K HDR, in fact I don't recommend it. Set it as 4K SDR, so your UI looks normal, and the YouTube App will push the output into 4K HDR when you have Match Dynamic Range to "On" as you're showing in your screenshot.

If you set your default output to 4K HDR, the Apple TV will try to take SDR and map it to HDR, which is going to mess things up for content that's supposed to be in SDR.

@Gator5000e the answer to your question is 'yes'.
 
No color space issues doing that with my setup.
Fake HDR is not good. When the Apple TV maps SDR to HDR it's the audio equivalent of boosting the bass and treble.

Everyone has their own tastes, but your setting is not the most accurate.
 
Fake HDR is not good. When the Apple TV maps SDR to HDR it's the audio equivalent of boosting the bass and treble.

Everyone has their own tastes, but your setting is not the most accurate.
Matching Dynamic Range and Frame rate is just that, not outputting a forced 4K HDR output with altered color space because that is what the GUI is set to. Reminds me of how people used to think forced DV looked better on Oppo’s. I see the output switch from SDR to HDR to DV depending on video source. Using LG OLEDs also.
 
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Matching Dynamic Range and Frame rate is just that, not outputting a forced 4K HDR output with altered color space because that is what the GUI is set to. Reminds me of how people used to think forced DV looked better on Oppo’s. I see the output switch from SDR to HDR to DV depending on video source. Using LG OLEDs also.
If you set the default Apple TV output to 4K HDR (or DV), then you are forcing a different color space for SDR content. This is regardless of your Match Content setting.

You can see for yourself, by checking your LG Settings with non-HDR content and using your (recommended?) 4K HDR Apple TV setting. Your LG will show "HDR Select Mode" which is because it's applying HDR tone/color mapping, even though your source content (should be) SDR from the Apple TV. Native SDR content on the Apple TV should show as "Select Mode, ISF Expert" or similar, when the Apple TV is not re-mapping SDR.
 
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If you set the default Apple TV output to 4K HDR (or DV), then you are forcing a different color space for SDR content. This is regardless of your Match Content setting.

You can see for yourself, by checking your LG Settings with non-HDR content and using your (recommended?) 4K HDR Apple TV setting. Your LG will show "HDR Select Mode" which is because it's applying HDR tone/color mapping, even though your source content (should be) SDR from the Apple TV. Native SDR content on the Apple TV should show as "Select Mode, ISF Expert" or similar, when the Apple TV is not re-mapping SDR.
What I see when the screen saver or app interface is on is HDR Standard (user), then while playing 1080P content is ISF expert (dark room) against LG picture mode in use. That’s not HDR any more. Using tvOS 16.3 beta 1. Also checked 4K SDR YouTube video, still using ISF expert (dark room) also not HDR.
 
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What I see when the screen saver or app interface is on is HDR Standard (user), then while playing 1080P content is ISF expert (dark room) against LG picture mode in use. That’s not HDR any more. Using tvOS 16.3 beta 1. Also checked 4K SDR, still using ISF expert (dark room) also not HDR.
Then you have a unicorn LG OLED. Because every other one behaves like I described.

This is not even up for debate, because it's the intended function of the Apple TV setting and has been this way for years: If you set 4K HDR as your video output, then the Apple TV maps SDR content to HDR. Simple as that. Regardless of the Match Dynamic Range setting.
 
Wow. Clearly this isn't very clear. I had 4K SDR and Match content on. But I went to 4K HDR last night and did find some where the HDR badge shows on my Sony.
 
Then you have a unicorn LG OLED. Because every other one behaves like I described.

This is not even up for debate, because it's the intended function of the Apple TV setting and has been this way for years: If you set 4K HDR as your video output, then the Apple TV maps SDR content to HDR. Simple as that. Regardless of the Match Dynamic Range setting.
I have had two LG OLED TVs that act the same way. I have my default setting to 4K DolbyVision with Match Content & Frame Rate on. The LG OLED has always switched back to SDR when necessary as well as to HDR or DolbyVision when switching between different types of content. This is verified every time in the LG TV settings showing either the SDR Expert Select Mode I have or one of the other HDR or DV Select modes when such content is streaming. Maybe LG OLED TVs are the only ones that can do this with the Apple TV 4Ks, but they do switch automatically with no fake HDR or DV being used for SDR content.
 
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I have had two LG OLED TVs that act the same way. I have my default setting to 4K DolbyVision with Match Content & Frame Rate on. The LG OLED has always switched back to SDR when necessary as well as to HDR or DolbyVision when switching between different types of content. This is verified every time in the LG TV settings showing either the SDR Expert Select Mode I have or one of the other HDR or DV Select modes when such content is streaming. Maybe LG OLED TVs are the only ones that can do this with the Apple TV 4Ks, but they do switch automatically with no fake HDR or DV being used for SDR content.
Sony's TV's were a year behind LG when first supporting 4K dolby vision, in fact we all remember Dolby had to implement as second way for DV to work just because they were so special.

The first 4K BR players supported DV was when Despicable Me 4K was released (Jun 6, 2017) but it wasn't until a year later we had to play this game of Player-led processing” mode for compatibility with recent Sony Dolby Vision TVs and firmware updates.

The original method was display-led where the TV was capable of full decoding a DV bitstream meta data. The other required that player to do part of the decoding.

So I have zero doubts Sony with some 4K TV models couldn't work with Apple TV 4K models and properly recognizing auto switching of SDR to HDR to DV. So it's like no unicorns the other direction compared to LG OLEDs which were always capable of both methods since the 2017 models and just display led for 2016 models. :D

 
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I have had two LG OLED TVs that act the same way. I have my default setting to 4K DolbyVision with Match Content & Frame Rate on. The LG OLED has always switched back to SDR when necessary as well as to HDR or DolbyVision when switching between different types of content. This is verified every time in the LG TV settings showing either the SDR Expert Select Mode I have or one of the other HDR or DV Select modes when such content is streaming. Maybe LG OLED TVs are the only ones that can do this with the Apple TV 4Ks, but they do switch automatically with no fake HDR or DV being used for SDR content.
I have both a C7 and a C1, and neither of them will switch back to SDR, as long as the Apple TV video output is set on 4K HDR. I've observed the same behavior with friends and family LG + Apply TV 4K combos.

It's not just seeing the mode switch from the LG GUI, the SDR->HDR setting makes normal SDR content exceedingly bright. It's obvious, and distracting. And inaccurate.
 
I have both a C7 and a C1, and neither of them will switch back to SDR, as long as the Apple TV video output is set on 4K HDR. I've observed the same behavior with friends and family LG + Apply TV 4K combos.

It's not just seeing the mode switch from the LG GUI, the SDR->HDR setting makes normal SDR content exceedingly bright. It's obvious, and distracting. And inaccurate.

You can argue all you want, but your cases are not universal. There are at least two in this thread that experience the opposite and correct behavior.
 
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I don't use YouTube on my ATV so that may be why I never see the "incorrect" behavior on other apps. All the ATV apps I use have no problem switching to SDR and back from DV/HDR.
 
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