DSLR with 1080p / 48fps/60fps?

[kristoffer4]

When do you think we will see DLSRs with 1080p 48fps or 60 fps? Now that The hobbit and Avatar 2 are being shot with a higher framerate surely it can't be long?

Also does anyone have any 48fps or 60 fps. videos for download? The comparionsions on youtube doesn't work since it is formated to 30fps.

 

[nateo200]

I was thinking about this for some time the other day...I like the idea of 48fps allot better than 60 and 30...would have saved allot of compatibility issues! Closest thing to 48fps would be to switch your camera to 50fps still only 720 but with the Hobbit they are going to have the 48fps release and then they are going to have the 24fps release...with 50fps you could do the same thing except convert to 25fps which is near no different..you could also convert to 24fps as the different between 24fps (not 24 NTSC drop frame crap) and 25fps is not that much...its not as nasty as going from 30 to 24fps...

 

[jammiefreerider]

Do you guys have a link to what your saying about Avatar and The Hobbit. A 50p release and a 25p?... Seems odd to have both. I can understand the faster frame rate, I guess, as the fast frame rate will reduce the blur in fast action but I only see it as an overall aesthetic effect not a "its the future!!"

Also the Sony SLT77 does do 1080/60p

 

[kristoffer4]

Re 48fps for The Hobbit:
http://insidemovies.ew.com/2011/04/12/the-hobbit-48-frames-peter-jackson/

Re 60fps for Avatar 2:
http://filmonic.com/james-cameron-hopes-to-shoot-the-avatar-sequels-at-60-frames-per-second

 

[CaptainChunk]

When do you think we will see DLSRs with 1080p 48fps or 60 fps? Now that The hobbit and Avatar 2 are being shot with a higher framerate surely it can't be long?

They're also being shot on bleeding-edge cameras priced many magnitudes beyond what DSLRs sell for.

To achieve shooting modes like that on DSLR requires faster image processing on the camera. Heat is also a big concern on a compact body. DLSRs are designed to be still cameras first and foremost, so the emphasis will always be placed on that.

I think companies (notably Sony and Panasonic) are steering more towards doing single-chip CMOS over SLR-style optics on purpose-built video cameras. For this reason, I think these devices will get the higher framerate shooting modes before the DSLR bodies do.

Besides, manufacturers would certainly want to avoid cannibalizing dedicated video camera sales (more profitable) with overachieving DSLR bodies. This already happened to Canon with the 5D Mk2 (and the lesser bodies got trickle-down tech, making things even worse). Initially, they didn't recognize the camera as a viable video camera replacement - its strengths (and weaknesses) in cinematography were actually stumbled upon on accident before Canon started embracing it.

 

[nateo200]

Do you guys have a link to what your saying about Avatar and The Hobbit. A 48p release and a 24p?... Seems odd to have both. I can understand the faster frame rate, I guess, as the fast frame rate will reduce the blur in fast action but I only see it as an overall aesthetic effect not a "its the future!!"

Also the Sony SLT77 does do 1080/60p

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And they are doing it for a good reason I just don't have the link to it but if you take 5 seconds and google it there should be an article linking to an article about it. Lots of interesting stuff about shutter angle too.

 

[ruledbysecrecy]

I personally don't like 60fps. I think it looks too 'fast' (of course it isn't).

It just doesn't look quote right.

My Canon shoots 60FPS (only at 720p, 1080 is limited to 24, 25 & 30) and I only use it for conforming to 24fps for slowing down footage.

 

[handsome pete]

I personally don't like 60fps. I think it looks too 'fast' (of course it isn't).

It just doesn't look quote right.

My Canon shoots 60FPS (only at 720p, 1080 is limited to 24, 25 & 30) and I only use it for conforming to 24fps for slowing down footage.

I can see the higher frame rates really taking off for things like live tv (most notably sports broadcasting) but don't really see it working as well for films.

24fps has pretty much been around since the dawn of the motion picture industry. It's what we now associate with that "cinematic" feel and look. A sudden change from that would be unsettling to look at in my opinion. It could make things more realistic, but when have we really demanded utter realism in movies?

 

[MisterMe]

I can see the higher frame rates really taking off for things like live tv (most notably sports broadcasting) but don't really see it working as well for films.

24fps has pretty much been around since the dawn of the motion picture industry. It's what we now associate with that "cinematic" feel and look. A sudden change from that would be unsettling to look at in my opinion. It could make things more realistic, but when have we really demanded utter realism in movies?

IMAX is filmed at 60fps. A growing number of commercial films are produced in the IMAX format. I don't know if you have ever seen IMAX. I have. It works well.

 

[nateo200]

IMAX is filmed at 60fps. A growing number of commercial films are produced in the IMAX format. I don't know if you have ever seen IMAX. I have. It works well.

IMAX has a hell of allot more things going for it than just frame rate. On a DSLR its different.

 

[handsome pete]

IMAX is filmed at 60fps. A growing number of commercial films are produced in the IMAX format. I don't know if you have ever seen IMAX. I have. It works well.

I've seen a good share of IMAX stuff and as nate pointed out, there is much more to it than just the fps. Also, a lot of IMAX stuff out there is still conformed to 24fps, especially when it's being mixed and matched with other footage. So you're getting the added clarity of 60fps, but still seeing it displayed in the "normal" framerate. James Cameron is out there pushing for 60fps projection as well, which to me is what adds that uneasy smoothness that we're not accustomed to. Of course this could become the norm in the future, but I still believe that 24fps feels better for narrative work.

 

[MisterMe]

I've seen a good share of IMAX stuff and as nate pointed out, there is much more to it than just the fps. Also, a lot of IMAX stuff out there is still conformed to 24fps, especially when it's being mixed and matched with other footage. ...

When you discounted 60 fps, you did not qualify your statement with if's, and's, and but's. Now that you have been called on it, you don't get to add them ex post facto.

 

[handsome pete]

When you discounted 60 fps, you did not qualify your statement with if's, and's, and but's. Now that you have been called on it, you don't get to add them ex post facto.

Called on what? I made a comment, you responded, and then I responded to that. No need to act like a child. I simply stated opinion, one which is shared within a lot of the video industry. There are those that share the opposite opinion as well and I even pointed out one of them.

Since you seem to be all knowing, I'd be enlightened to hear of your experience with higher frame rates and what commercial IMAX productions you're talking about.

 

[iheartiphone4]

I personally don't like 60fps. I think it looks too 'fast' (of course it isn't).

It just doesn't look quote right.

My Canon shoots 60FPS (only at 720p, 1080 is limited to 24, 25 & 30) and I only use it for conforming to 24fps for slowing down footage.

I agree with you completely. 60 fps looks fake. It almost ruins the film/

 

[MisterMe]

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Since you seem to be all knowing, I'd be enlightened to hear of your experience with higher frame rates and what commercial IMAX productions you're talking about.

Begin here.

 

[handsome pete]

Begin here.

Wow, so you give me the IMAX website. Way to prove your point.

Here's a tip: Juvenile responses to someone simply because they espouse a different opinion than yours make you look like a dick.

Of all the films listed on that website, do you know which ones were shot with IMAX cameras, what percentage of the film was shot in IMAX, are any of those films projected at 60 fps? Which of those have you seen?

If you're able to answer any of those questions then maybe it's possible to have a civil discussion.

 

[nateo200]

Sort of necroposting here but I was thinking about this today after listening to someone talk about shooting a music video with a DSLR in 60fps and how they wished they had the longer horizontal resolution of 1920x1080. Do you guys think the 7D could handle 1080 at 48fps+? I mean its got the dual processors... I've never really personally handled a 7D enough to know how the response is but I sure as hell know my 550D couldn't! I definitely see where processing power is needed as 1080 video on my cam does feel sluggish to start and stop.

I've seen a good share of IMAX stuff and as nate pointed out, there is much more to it than just the fps. Also, a lot of IMAX stuff out there is still conformed to 24fps, especially when it's being mixed and matched with other footage. So you're getting the added clarity of 60fps, but still seeing it displayed in the "normal" framerate. James Cameron is out there pushing for 60fps projection as well, which to me is what adds that uneasy smoothness that we're not accustomed to. Of course this could become the norm in the future, but I still believe that 24fps feels better for narrative work.

I agree. 24fps feels more "story like"....However at times I find my self straining my eyes (ok so I don't have 20/20 vision but I'm not even in my 20's :O) when something is shot natively in 24fps in say an action sequence where they depict a mid shot or close shot of someone running, it definitely gives an "action movie" feel but sometimes its just outright annoying and being slightly more than the average curious joe, I usually end up pausing or doing slow motion..I think 48fps would be great for mixing with 24fps in action movies; switching between the two as the movement of scenes increases or decreases...stretching the comparison a bit, it seams like a form of variable frame rate used in compression. Side note I think that life would be allot easier if we had used 48fps instead of 60fps for allot of TV content!

Begin here.

So if I want to know what movies were shot natively on HD Cam's you would send me to the homepage for BluRay's? Now a better link would be linking to RED's website for citation of the hobbit being shot with RED cameras.. Sorry but I'm still going to reply to this >half a month later. Everyone has there own opinions...don't see why you have to be a jerk about it, I mean I do but you really had no other excuse other than differing opinion...

 

[alph45]

the whole point of 48/60fps based on the links is tied to 3-d and eye strain. Choose a 2-d film that shoots / projects at a faster framerate for a better baseline.

you can't have a film that exports with different framerates, you export in one framerate. mixed framerates conform to the project timeframe.

i wish my 7d shot full HD 48fps, but it doesn't.

 

[Policar]

IMAX is filmed at 60fps. A growing number of commercial films are produced in the IMAX format. I don't know if you have ever seen IMAX. I have. It works well.

IMAX runs at 24fps.