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I've had the MBP described in the title since Saturday, and thought people on the fence might appreciate some perspective.

Plainly put, there's no real reason to wait if you need or want one.

The 2018 is noticeably faster on multi-core aware apps - even dramatically faster. I use it to run an app analogous to BOINC to work on large datasets, so the more cores, the better. While it does run hotter (at least anecdotally; I've not measured it), the CPU upgrade so far is solid.

GPU - the 560x so far appears to be slightly faster than the 560 and 460 of the 2017 and 2016 models, respectively. It's averaging 99+ FPS on Cinebench, compared to the 93-94 for the 560 and ~90 for the 460. I think the GPU is the one area where it's reasonable to criticize it - the 560x is left for dead by a number of other mobile GPUs in competitive models.

Keyboard - we'll see if the keyboard is as prone to failure as those in the 2016/17 models, but as someone who has been extremely critical of the keyboard I have to say the 2018 does feel like an improvement. And so far it has not started to repeat any keys, suggesting the new keyboard has indeed been fixed relative to the earlier models.

The true-tone display is also a nicer addition than I thought it would be, and the speakers in it seem slightly improved in punch and clarity.

The quibbles around the too-large trackpad and feel of the keyboard remain, as do those around USB-C only. And the touchbar remains as useless to me as ever, presenting an active obstacle to workflow. And it does run hotter - the keyboard is noticeably warmer than the 2017 when under load, and the fans are slightly louder (which makes sense, given that they're cooling 6 cores instead of 4).

And the price remains borderline absurd relative to competition from other manufacturers.

However, if you need or want a Mac laptop, and don't mind the quibbles described above, there's no reason not to go for one. It seems a solid upgrade that catches the 15" MBP up to what others are doing.
 
Nice review.

I picked up a base 15" on Saturday. The only thing I was going to possibly upgrade was the storage because it is crazy to me that the base is only 256GB, but I ended up sucking it up and grabbing it anyway. I have external storage options and can always offload stuff as needed. Not ideal, but then again Apple's storage prices are crazy compared to other avenues.

In terms of the GPU (555X), I find it interesting that the 555X offers about 93fps on Cinebench. Definitely not a huge difference, and the 2 extra GB of ram is probably helping that since it is pretty similar to the regular 560. Glad I didn't pay for the upgrade (I did when I tried out a 2016 MBP previously). I do agree that other laptops definitely put it to shame, but I really don't care anymore. I got a desktop PC for my graphical needs.

I also actually enjoy the keyboard - well so far. Again, I had previously owned a 2016 MBP but ended up returning it because I couldn't get used to it. I am not having that same issue here. Is it my favorite keyboard? No... My Logitech G810 with Roamer-G switches currently takes that crown in my eyes. But it definitely isn't a horrible typing experience.

I pretty much completely agree with the rest of your post. I enjoy the true-tone display, but I don't care about color accuracy like some might. But then again you can always turn it off if needed. I do wish there was an easier way to turn it on or off other than in System Properties, oh well. The speakers are great compared to my 2013 13" MBP that I still have.

I debated for months about buying the XPS 15 instead of a new MBP. If the 2018 upgrade didn't come out this summer, I probably would've gone that route. Overall I am glad I didn't. I like MacOS more overall than Windows. I just want the bootcamp drivers to become available so I can dual boot when needed.

Edit: One small thing. What does your system say in System Info - Power - Full Charge Capacity? Mine is currently only showing 7450... I expected it to be around 8300 with the new battery? Maybe just still getting calibrated. Just had me curious as to what others are showing.

Edit #2: Wait. Zoned out. Those numbers don't equate. I think I'm good with my battery - ha.
 
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Nice review.

Edit: One small thing. What does your system say in System Info - Power - Full Charge Capacity? Mine is currently only showing 7450... I expected it to be around 8300 with the new battery? Maybe just still getting calibrated. Just had me curious as to what others are showing.

Mine doesn't show 8300 either! Is the marketing wrong, is the system info wrong (coconut battery also concurs) , or did some 15s leave the factory with the wrong battery?
 
I've a MacBook Pro 15" 2017 as well. I am considering an upgrade to the 2018, and sell this one. I am doing 12h on it everyday, so it can make sense.

Main excitement for me is True tone display, do you feel it worth a buy just for it?
 
Mine doesn't show 8300 either! Is the marketing wrong, is the system info wrong (coconut battery also concurs) , or did some 15s leave the factory with the wrong battery?
Nah. I just forgot to convert from mAh to watt hours. Just curious though. What does yours show?
 
I've a MacBook Pro 15" 2017 as well. I am considering an upgrade to the 2018, and sell this one. I am doing 12h on it everyday, so it can make sense.

Main excitement for me is True tone display, do you feel it worth a buy just for it?

I think that's a very subjective and independent call - I, personally, wouldn't buy it just for the True Tone display, particularly given the loss I'd likely take on a 2017 model. I'd view it as a good bonus on top of the significantly upgraded CPU.
 
I think that's a very subjective and independent call - I, personally, wouldn't buy it just for the True Tone display, particularly given the loss I'd likely take on a 2017 model. I'd view it as a good bonus on top of the significantly upgraded CPU.

Yes. These models are all about that CPU (particularly double the cores on the 13"!) and the RAM for those of us who need 32GB on the 15" models (also +2 cores).

Everything else is icing on a very yummy cake. With the exception of the keyboard. The keyboard is the melted wax from a birthday candle that stayed lit far too long.
 
I've had the MBP described in the title since Saturday, and thought people on the fence might appreciate some perspective.

Plainly put, there's no real reason to wait if you need or want one.

The 2018 is noticeably faster on multi-core aware apps - even dramatically faster. I use it to run an app analogous to BOINC to work on large datasets, so the more cores, the better. While it does run hotter (at least anecdotally; I've not measured it), the CPU upgrade so far is solid.

GPU - the 560x so far appears to be slightly faster than the 560 and 460 of the 2017 and 2016 models, respectively. It's averaging 99+ FPS on Cinebench, compared to the 93-94 for the 560 and ~90 for the 460. I think the GPU is the one area where it's reasonable to criticize it - the 560x is left for dead by a number of other mobile GPUs in competitive models.

Keyboard - we'll see if the keyboard is as prone to failure as those in the 2016/17 models, but as someone who has been extremely critical of the keyboard I have to say the 2018 does feel like an improvement. And so far it has not started to repeat any keys, suggesting the new keyboard has indeed been fixed relative to the earlier models.

The true-tone display is also a nicer addition than I thought it would be, and the speakers in it seem slightly improved in punch and clarity.

The quibbles around the too-large trackpad and feel of the keyboard remain, as do those around USB-C only. And the touchbar remains as useless to me as ever, presenting an active obstacle to workflow. And it does run hotter - the keyboard is noticeably warmer than the 2017 when under load, and the fans are slightly louder (which makes sense, given that they're cooling 6 cores instead of 4).

And the price remains borderline absurd relative to competition from other manufacturers.

However, if you need or want a Mac laptop, and don't mind the quibbles described above, there's no reason not to go for one. It seems a solid upgrade that catches the 15" MBP up to what others are doing.

Thanks for this. Does the big boost in multi core help with things outside of video editing and such. I.e. 1) general use such as having lots of different apps open, web browsing and 2) Graphic intensive games?
 
Appreciate the reports... Really interested to hear battery reports, although I know that takes some time to observe...
 
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