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Jon'sLightBulbs

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Qualification rules for next year...

http://www.formula1.com/news/3770.html

Part one: All 20 cars may run laps at any time during the first 15 minutes of the hour. At the end of the first 15 minutes, the five slowest cars drop out and fill the final five grid places.


What a cluster-fornication! 20 cars going all out head to head during qualifying... i predict crashes and more crashes even before the race begins.
 
Don't panic said:
why?
it used to be like that before the 1 lap (temporary) change.
and of course they have 20 cars lapping during the race.

And that's why you have crashes during the race. Because everyone's going head to head!

I like being able to focus on individual driver performances one at a time. There'll be enough mayhem during the race.
 
This will be much more interesting for fans though. You know how friggin boring it is to sit through qualifying at the track?
 
I've been waiting... Single Lap quali sucked. If you made one mistake you were buggered. Driver's aren't perfect, they need more than one lap. Personally, from the looks of it, the original (pre-04) quali will still be better, but I guess my proper judgement will have to wait for March...
 
link92 said:
I've been waiting... Single Lap quali sucked. If you made one mistake you were buggered. Driver's aren't perfect, they need more than one lap. Personally, from the looks of it, the original (pre-04) quali will still be better, but I guess my proper judgement will have to wait for March...
I concur.
 
Counterfit said:
1 hour, 12 laps, race engine, no race fuel, same tire compound for race (not necessarily same tires though). It was good, it was exciting, and it ****ing worked.

yes! and it worked even better before those rules; there was a time when the only rule was: "1 hour". they had special engines and tyres, and rumour was some even had special fuel for quali session. it was damn good ;)
 
Jon'sLightBulbs said:
What a cluster-fornication! 20 cars going all out head to head during qualifying... i predict crashes and more crashes even before the race begins.

i think not. the best teams only take it safe and drive one such lap per session that makes it into top ten for sure, and it's the lesser teams that actually use the time. you did notice that times are reset between the sessions, didn't you? there is no incentive for best teams to rev the engines before the last session begins.

no, they're going to take it on the safe side. no crashing, except probably between the minardis or whatever they call themselves next year.
 
For me the new quali sounds just great. Looking forward to it. Last year was so boring that I really never ever watched it. And I am a hardcore F1 fanboy since 1991.

Cheers
 
It worked....

Counterfit said:
1 hour, 12 laps, race engine, no race fuel, same tire compound for race (not necessarily same tires though). It was good, it was exciting, and it ****ing worked.

I could not agree more. So interesting. The thing that got me hooked was that Hakkenen or someone made a scorching lap early - and i liked the idea of people trying to better that - only for the same fella to do it himself on the dying seconds! I swear - some qualifying was more nail-biting than the actual race!

I'm gonna make more effort to watch British Touring Cars though - great fun!
 
Jon'sLightBulbs said:
And that's why you have crashes during the race.

no. they crash because they try to pass each other, which they have no reason to do in qualis, or because they make mistakes, which can happen at any time.
15 minutes in which the good teams only have to post a top 15 time means that they (the good teams) will barely be on the track, and in any case the cars will be very spaced out as they have no interest whatsoever in racing close (they'd go slower).
in the old time (1 hour free for all) everybody was out in the last 3 minutes to use the best track conditions, including the slow cars. now you have only ten cars, and because they will have more evenly spread out lapping in the hour, the last 20 minutes' rubber will be more even, with less need to get out at the last second.

the potential of the system is good, and the problem of the old system was that it was terrible for TV, as it had 50 min of nothing going on and then 5-10 of incomprehensible mayhem. this should be fun to watch on tv and at the track.
the only thing i don't like is that they kept the fuel rule. It should be on low fuel, so truly is the fastest car in pole.
 
Don't panic said:
the problem of the old system was that it was terrible for TV, as it had 50 min of nothing going on and then 5-10 of incomprehensible mayhem. this should be fun to watch on tv and at the track.

Often though, those 10 minutes provided more excitment than a whole hour of the current format. ;) Senna and Schumacher and last second attempts. Awe inspiring :D

12 laps, 4 sets of rubber, low fuel, 1 hour, 1 run within every 15 minutes. :D That will do nicely. ;)
 
iGav said:
Often though, those 10 minutes provided more excitment than a whole hour of the current format.

Not difficult since the current format provides almost no entertainment...I think it will be much better.
 
FireArse said:
I could not agree more. So interesting. The thing that got me hooked was that Hakkenen or someone made a scorching lap early - and i liked the idea of people trying to better that - only for the same fella to do it himself on the dying seconds! I swear - some qualifying was more nail-biting than the actual race!

I'm gonna make more effort to watch British Touring Cars though - great fun!
Schumi and Hakkinen going head to head in the last 20 or so minutes was always exciting :cool:
 
Looks like the consensus is that the new qualifying rules will rock. This f1 fan has only been watching for 2 years, so maybe a little inexperience is clouding my judgement. Cheers.
 
javiercr said:
Schumi hasn't been very exciting laterly :p

Eh? with the exception of a couple of races (Australia and China), I think he's been outstanding all season... just look at Suzuka, mixing it with cars that were at times 2 seconds a lap quicker. :D as well as monster performances at Imola, Monaco and Hungary. ;)

In Peter Windsor's opinion, he's driver of the year. ;)

He's still got it. ;)
 
Counterfit said:
1 hour, 12 laps, race engine, no race fuel, same tire compound for race (not necessarily same tires though). It was good, it was exciting, and it ****ing worked.
What waas wrong with that in the first place?
 
Don't panic said:
the only thing i don't like is that they kept the fuel rule. It should be on low fuel, so truly is the fastest car in pole.

yes, i agree; however, this might be something they will change after some time. they cannot admit being wrong with the fuel rule, can they? ;)
 
I kinda like the new fuel rule, because it means the big teams don't spend millions developing qualifying-only petrol or indeed cars. Bit silly if a car has to change fuel to start the race - seems a bit backward if you ask me.:eek:

BTW, http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/4341488.stm - Nico Rosberg (Kiki Rosebrg's son) has got the Williams seat for next year.
 
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