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Facebook Testing End-to-End Encryption in Messenger

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Facebook has announced that it will begin rolling out optional end-to-end encryption within its Messenger app for iOS and Android on a limited test basis, ahead of the option becoming more widely available through early September.

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Messenger users will be able to create one-to-one "Secret Conversations" in Messenger that will be end-to-end encrypted and which can only be read on one device of the person they are communicating with.

Within secret conversations, Messenger users will have the option to set a timer to control the length of time each message sent remains visible within the conversation. The technology is based on the Signal Protocol by Open Whisper Systems [PDF].

Facebook said secret conversations do not currently support rich content like GIFs and videos, making payments, or other popular Messenger features.

End-to-end encryption will not be enabled by default, and secret conversations will not be available through Messenger.com, Facebook chat, or the desktop Messenger app for now, per TechCrunch, which also explained how to start a secret conversation:
...just tap on your friend's name at the top of your current message thread. If you're part of Facebook's test group, you'll see an option called "Secret Conversation." Once you click it, a new conversation thread opens, with a notice at the top informing you that the chat is end-to-end encrypted.

The timer feature that allows messages to be erased after a certain time period has elapsed is located right next to the text field. It offers a drop-down list of times you can select for how long you want your message to last before it expires, ranging from 5 seconds all the way up to 6 hours.
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Messenger is free on the App Store [Direct Link] for iPhone, iPad, and Apple Watch.

Article Link: Facebook Testing End-to-End Encryption in Messenger
 
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https://www.macrumors.com/2016/07/08/facebook-messenger-testing-end-to-end-encryption/
Yeah... totally trustworthy... after all those privacy settings users had to opt-out I'd trust this e2e encryption as much as brexit campaign promises.

Or maybe, data analysis is already done on the client devices to save ressources on facebook servers and only the results are uploaded to fb. That would actually make sense. :cool:
 
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I think I got it. Yes the end to end is encrypted. They are betting people will share the good details in those secret chats. So they say it is encrypted but they just have the app on each persons device gather the good info and send it to the servers.
 
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WB2Colorado said:
I see the tinfoil hat crowd is out in force tonight.
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Not really tinfoil hat. Facebook like google thrive off of the data they collect. So this move is odd for them on that stand point.

Most are probably poking fun of it; like I am.
 
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Facebook network is owned by advertisers.

Every post you share, every friend you make, and every link you follow is tracked, recorded, and converted into data. Advertisers buy your data so they can show you more ads. You are the product that’s bought and sold.

Facebook encryption is nothing more than faux trustworthiness and a facade of privacy.
 
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smacrumon said:
Facebook network is owned by advertisers.

Every post you share, every friend you make, and every link you follow is tracked, recorded, and converted into data. Advertisers buy your data so they can show you more ads. You are the product that’s bought and sold.

Facebook encryption is nothing more than faux trustworthiness and a facade of privacy.
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Is it the data that is sold or the targeting of advertisements using the data that Facebook collects, builds, and retains?
 
C DM said:
Is it the data that is sold or the targeting of advertisements using the data that Facebook collects, builds, and retains?
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All of it. And I'm certain we will hear into the future many scandals. The company and some of its staff are morally corrupt. What else can be expected, high integrity and great responsibility with all that sensitive and personal data collected? Sadly none of those.
 
Really not a fan of messenger, and the way FB forces it on people. Though if you are a user, this could be good news for you.
 
I would not trust Messenger as a product or FB as a company as far as I could throw Zuckerberg
 
cerote said:
Not really tinfoil hat. Facebook like google thrive off of the data they collect. So this move is odd for them on that stand point.

Most are probably poking fun of it; like I am.
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Apple is quickly moving up in third.
 
smacrumon said:
All of it. And I'm certain we will hear into the future many scandals. The company and some of its staff are morally corrupt. What else can be expected, high integrity and great responsibility with all that sensitive and personal data collected? Sadly none of those.
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Curious about the morally corrupt part and about the actual data being sold--any information about all of that somewhere?
 
smacrumon said:
All of it. And I'm certain we will hear into the future many scandals. The company and some of its staff are morally corrupt. What else can be expected, high integrity and great responsibility with all that sensitive and personal data collected? Sadly none of those.
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So they provide a service in exchange for information and people are free to NOT use the service yet choose to because they think the trade off is fine for them, but you still call the parties involved immoral? Why? What business is it of yours what people decide to do, or are you insisting on being outraged on others' behalf?
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C DM said:
Curious about the morally corrupt part and about the actual data being sold--any information about all of that somewhere?
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Nah he just wants to play morality nanny. Big bad even capitalism and all businesses that don't sell coffee and scones are bad and all that.
 
Kaibelf said:
So they provide a service in exchange for information and people are free to NOT use the service yet choose to because they think the trade off is fine for them, but you still call the parties involved immoral? Why? What business is it of yours what people decide to do, or are you insisting on being outraged on others' behalf?
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Nah he just wants to play morality nanny. Big bad even capitalism and all businesses that don't sell coffee and scones are bad and all that.
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No nanny here, just injecting some realism into your world. It's entirely my business to comment about this. Just like casinos that prey on compulsive and addicted gamblers, Facebook preys on users that are computing, marketing and privacy illiterate as well as addicted to social media in general. The large issue here is that users do not have a clue what they've signed up to as the "trade off" is completely ill defined and entirely fluid, Facebook continually changes its privacy and terms of use policies. Most users of Facebook would delete their accounts if they understood what every piece of content put on the site was subjected to behind the scenes.
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C DM said:
Curious about the morally corrupt part and about the actual data being sold--any information about all of that somewhere?
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You might like to start with these:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Facebook
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook
Constant controversies since its inception. Executives talking talking like sick lobbyists about users as if users are commodities. A complete disregard for any social principles or behavior. Facebook is built on completely corrupted values. It will be interesting to see whether it survives another five years as original users continue to abondon it.
 
smacrumon said:
No nanny here, just injecting some realism into your world. It's entirely my business to comment about this. Just like casinos that prey on compulsive and addicted gamblers, Facebook preys on users that are computing, marketing and privacy illiterate as well as addicted to social media in general. The large issue here is that users do not have a clue what they've signed up to as the "trade off" is completely ill defined and entirely fluid, Facebook continually changes its privacy and terms of use policies. Most users of Facebook would delete their accounts if they understood what every piece of content put on the site was subjected to behind the scenes.
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You might like to start with these:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Facebook
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook
Constant controversies since its inception. Executives talking talking like sick lobbyists about users as if users are commodities. A complete disregard for any social principles or behavior. Facebook is built on completely corrupted values. It will be interesting to see whether it survives another five years as original users continue to abondon it.
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Ah, corporations and capitalism are bad. Got it.
 
modemthug said:
False sense of security; Facebook is totally harvesting the contents of your conversation.
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Because the same idea, that Apple has already implemented some time ago in iMessage, is or is not harvesting the contents of your conversations?
 
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