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After receiving a legitimate email notification about a bogus, failed password reset attempt using my Facebook login I decided to go have a look at my account settings. Considering that I detest Facebook and have not logged in in nearly 6 months, I thought that it was a good idea to check through all of the settings and see what new privacy invading settings that Facebook has decided to add lately -- so that they can be disabled of course.

While in the security settings, I realized that Facebook now has the option for 2FA and even seems to offer many choices for the user. Being the user of a TOTP smartphone app for 2FA on many of my online accounts, I decided to go ahead and enable it for Facebook. So, as normal when enabling 2FA for any website, I chose to generate recovery codes and store them in my password manager first. Then, I went into the "Code Generator" section that allows setting up a TOTP smartphone app, scanned the QR code on my phone, confirmed the current code validated, and then clicked the "confirm" button assuming that 2FA would then be enabled on my account. But, you would be wrong about that! After seeing that the "Use two-factor authentication" section still did not show the blue "ON" indicator, I then clicked the "Set Up" link provided next to the "Two-factor authentication is off" status assuming that I must need to do one more thing to finish enabling it.

Well, what I found at that point is the following pop-up message: "Set Up Two-Factor Authentication?
You must add either a phone or both security key and code generator in order to turn on two-factor authentication." After some web searches I discovered that indeed, Facebook does not actually understand how 2FA is supposed to work. Instead, to even enable 2FA, Facebook is requiring a "third factor" that can either be the use of a USB hardware key, or, get this, your phone number for an SMS message. There are two huge problems with this requirement. First, every security-conscious person understands that using SMS in any way for 2FA is a really horrible idea. I mean why even have the ability to set up a TOTP application when an SMS message can be used to override that security? And secondly, requiring the user to set up SMS requires adding your cell phone number to your profile (which I refuse to do). It seems that Facebook is only concerned with helping you improve your login security if you are willing to trade your phone number for it.

Lastly, don't go out and Google "2FA Facebook" and then tell me that I'm wrong. All of the search results that I found are years out of date and no longer apply. The few posts that I found that were current confirm that a phone number and SMS is required when using a TOTP app for 2FA in Facebook. In addition, for those looking for a workaround, removing the phone number after enabling 2FA also disables it again.

Every time I think that I can't hate Facebook more, I find another reason.
 
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Short answer - don't use Facebook. Nobody is forcing you to. Mark Zuckerberg doesn't have you tied to a chair while yelling "USE IT! USE FACEBOOK!". At least I hope he doesn't, if he does please let the authorities know.

Long answer - most major platforms allow you to add on additional methods of verification. Google does, Apple does, Microsoft does, Linkedin, Facebook, twitter, etc. They do this to allow easier recovery in the event of a lost authenticator. Oftentimes the additional method is either email or sms.

You can argue about it decreasing security all day long - but at the end of the day the average person does not want to be permanently locked out of their account due to overzealous security. There needs to be a balance between convenience and security.

All that said, I do agree it is pretty silly to force sms, it should be an option... they are hardly the only company to do so. On the other hand, given their non-technical user base it is understandable why they force that requirement.
 
2017 and people are still using Facebook. Sheesh
It is a necessary evil.
A few days ago I realized I haven't post anything in my FB in about 8 months. Actually I have disabled any notifications from everybody. The same thing with Instagram... nothing to show and... to whom? To people I do not know? and for what?
 
It is a necessary evil.

Absolutely not.
A few days ago I realized I haven't post anything in my FB in about 8 months. Actually I have disabled any notifications from everybody. The same thing with Instagram... nothing to show and... to whom? To people I do not know? and for what?

Delete the account then. It's not about posting. It's about scrolling the feed, Facebook tracking you and placing ads through their ad network to influence your decision making and sensibilities and in return you get what? The benefit of "oh I haven't posted in 8 months look at how well I'm doing"?

Sorry to be so condescending, but this is like reading stuff that addicts write. :(
 
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Short answer - don't use Facebook. Nobody is forcing you to.

I agree with you. I don't "use" Facebook. I do however have an account for the sole purpose of being able to view the occasional photo that someone posts there and nowhere else. Maintaining an account for that reason is easier than creating a burner account when needed.

You can argue about it decreasing security all day long - but at the end of the day the average person does not want to be permanently locked out of their account due to overzealous security. There needs to be a balance between convenience and security.

I agree with you here as well. It's unfortunate that I have a hard time recommending 2FA to MOST people for this reason. It doesn't matter how many confirmations you make them jump through. The sad fact is that the majority of people can't be trusted to either take the time to understand the implications and reasons for using 2FA, nor to carefully set it up including planning for recovery if there is ever a problem. I've personally stopped recommending 2FA to anyone that isn't also an experienced user of a password manager (and therefore has an implied sense of taking the next step in securing themselves and carefully documenting things like recovery keys).

All that said, I do agree it is pretty silly to force sms, it should be an option... they are hardly the only company to do so. On the other hand, given their non-technical user base it is understandable why they force that requirement.

This is indeed my point. If you want to allow SMS as a far less secure option, then fine. However, to require it as a fallback to a far more secure 2FA method like TOTP is ridiculous from a security architecture perspective. I don't care if a site make me click through 10 dialogs that say "I understand the risks ... and may lose my account" during 2FA setup, if that it what it takes to allow me to actually secure my account login.

In real life, if I drive through construction blockades and a dozen signs that say "bridge out ahead" then I deserve to fall to my death. The same goes when a user ignores multiple warnings and sets of instructions when enabling 2FA. Losing there precious Facebook account and content might teach them a lesson in life about following directions and having a less click-happy attention span.
 
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I agree with you. I don't "use" Facebook. I do however have an account for the sole purpose of being able to view the occasional photo that someone posts there and nowhere else. Maintaining an account for that reason is easier than creating a burner account when needed.

Just don't look at the occasional photo. Not really missing anything. You have the fear of missing out.
 
Considering that I detest Facebook and have not logged in in nearly 6 months

Just delete the account, and your problem solves itself.

I do however have an account for the sole purpose of being able to view the occasional photo that someone posts there

You don't log in for 6 months at a time? If true, I think you can miss out on the photo. Ask them to send it to you by email. It sounds like it only happens approximately twice a year anyway.

This is assuming you're accurately reporting how much you actually use FB.
 
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Just delete the account, and your problem solves itself.



You don't log in for 6 months at a time? If true, I think you can miss out on the photo. Ask them to send it to you by email. It sounds like it only happens approximately twice a year anyway.

This is assuming you're accurately reporting how much you actually use FB.

Yup. Which is highly, highly unlikely. If you have an account, you're checking it. Period.
 
Yup. Which is highly, highly unlikely. If you have an account, you're checking it. Period.

Nope. I haven't cared to check it in at least 6 months. I have a Twitter account also but havn't logged in to it in over a year. Anyone else want to comment on the psycological addiction that I must have to social media that I didn't know I had. I'll have to try harder to not let it control my life this coming year -- I bet I can go 7 months this time!
 
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Nope. I haven't cared to check it in at least 6 months. I have a Twitter account also but havn't logged in to it in over a year. Anyone else want to comment on the psycological addiction that I must have to social media that I didn't know I had. I'll have to try harder to not let it control my life this coming year -- I bet I can go 7 months this time!

Why keep the account then?
 
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Nope. I haven't cared to check it in at least 6 months. I have a Twitter account also but havn't logged in to it in over a year. Anyone else want to comment on the psycological addiction that I must have to social media that I didn't know I had. I'll have to try harder to not let it control my life this coming year -- I bet I can go 7 months this time!
Look, a lot of us are wondering why this is such a big deal to you when you "detest Facebook" and only log in twice a year.
 
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Seems you hate social media, so just delete all of it. Facebook, Twitter, what ever others you have but don't use.
 
I hate facebook!
I Had it for years to keep in touch with old friend and family who don't live nearer to home and then I realized that:

A). facebook knows way too much about me;
B). I can pick up the phone and call these people, and they can text me any pics they want to;
C). I have way more time without it;
D). Around election time, I realized how different my personal/political beliefs were than the vast majority of people I know and it was just frustrating to scroll through a feed filled with so much "stupid".

Just delete it if you're becoming even remotely anti-facebook--do yourself a favor!
 
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