Fake ID Question

[iJon]

I have a question to see if some people might know.

Here in my home town, every one goes to Dallas to a place called Copy Cats to get their ID's. They are flawless and are exact replica's besides the barcode scanning.

Now I ask myself, if people all the way from Arkansas and no telling how many other people from other states go to these people, why aren't they busted yet. I asked a friend and apparently when they make them they put something like "Novelty" or something like that on it. You can scratch it off but then it becomes your problem.

Now are they correct about putting that on there to make it legal, or is it still illegal. I just really think if this is illegal (which I think it is) they would be busted now by having so many customers. Anyone care to elaborate, I am real curious.

jon

 

[mpw]

I have a question to see if some people might know.

Here in my home town, every one goes to Dallas to a place called Copy Cats to get their ID's. They are flawless and are exact replica's besides the barcode scanning.

Now I ask myself, if people all the way from Arkansas and no telling how many other people from other states go to these people, why aren't they busted yet. I asked a friend and apparently when they make them they put something like "Novelty" or something like that on it. You can scratch it off but then it becomes your problem.

Now are they correct about putting that on there to make it legal, or is it still illegal. I just really think if this is illegal (which I think it is) they would be busted now by having so many customers. Anyone care to elaborate, I am real curious.

jon

I don't know about the US but you get adverts in the paper for 'novelty' ID's etc in the UK. You can also get speed camera detectors etc legally but it's a crime to use them.

Same thing with iTrip advertising it, selling it, buying it & owning it are all legal. Using it is a crime.

 

[caveman_uk]

Also in the UK, picking and being in possession of raw magic mushrooms isn't illegal. 'Preparing' them (cooking/drying etc) is illegal. The law is wierd sometimes.

 

[EGT]

Also in the UK, picking and being in possession of raw magic mushrooms isn't illegal. 'Preparing' them (cooking/drying etc) is illegal. The law is wierd sometimes.

There is a court case on about this now. Refrigerating magic mushrooms may now be considered "Preparing"

 

[iGav]

Now are they correct about putting that on there to make it legal, or is it still illegal. I just really think if this is illegal (which I think it is) they would be busted now by having so many customers. Anyone care to elaborate, I am real curious.

jon

I'd guess that the actual crime would be in using it, not owning it. If you don't use it then really no crime has being committed. If you use it, at the very least it'd be deception and depending on what for, possibly fraud too.

 

[iGav]

You can also get speed camera detectors etc legally but it's a crime to use them.

There's no real need to use detectors anymore though, not since GPS devices have taken over and are vastly more reliable and completely legal.

I thought jammer type devices though were still on the borderline, for example if you have an electric garage you can buy dual purpose devices that not only jam radars but also control your garage, in which case their fitment on the car is legally justifiable.

 

[evoluzione]

There's no real need to use detectors anymore though, not since GPS devices have taken over and are vastly more reliable and completely legal.

I thought jammer type devices though were still on the borderline, for example if you have an electric garage you can buy dual purpose devices that not only jam radars but also control your garage, in which case their fitment on the car is legally justifiable.

GPS devices are not really in use over here in the states, not many speed cameras, although i have seen one or two Gatsos in NYC cropping up. most speeding is caught by police cars, in particular state troopers on the interstates etc.

as for the ID thing, i think if they have "novelty" or something printed, they've got their ass covered. simple as that?

 

[ExoticFish]

how on earth is the iTrip illegal? it's perfectly legal to have a low powered FM transmitter like that.

 

[iGav]

how on earth is the iTrip illegal? it's perfectly legal to have a low powered FM transmitter like that.

it's not in the UK. it contravenes the Wireless Telegraphy Act of 1949.

rinky dinky link

 

[wordmunger]

I'm not a lawyer, but my guess is this: It's not illegal to make an ID card, but it is illegal to provide fraudulent information for an ID card. And of course it's illegal to use a fraudulent ID card.

 

[tpjunkie]

Alright, freshman year of college I made my own fake id (I'm from new jersey, so this was as easy as scanning my drivers license, photoshopping a couple of numbers and laminating it) after doing some online investigation of the laws regarding them. First of all, there is nothing illegal about having the document itself; its only when you attempt to use them that you run into trouble (false representation). Secondly, there is a difference in possible punishments for using fake ids stemming from the name on the ID. If its your name on the id, its a much lesser crime (i believe its a misdemeanor). However, when its someone elses name, it can then become a felony(!) as you have created an alias. When I got caught the 5-0 walking out of a liquor store with a big brown paper bag (i had the unfortunate timing to walk out as a squad car rolled by, but the good sense to confess i had used a fake id) They ran my real id numbers, and simply confiscated the booze and fake id.

 

[Chip NoVaMac]

OT: Traffic Enforcement

There's no real need to use detectors anymore though, not since GPS devices have taken over and are vastly more reliable and completely legal.

I thought jammer type devices though were still on the borderline, for example if you have an electric garage you can buy dual purpose devices that not only jam radars but also control your garage, in which case their fitment on the car is legally justifiable.

I have no problems with red light/speed cameras or GPS enforcement of traffic laws. I just don't want the fines to be attributed to a vehicle. They need to be tied to a driver.

Having a s system where you insert your drivers license (like in that Bruce Willis movie - name escapes me right now) would be OK with me (it might help deter some car thefts as well). This way the one that is driving gets the ticket. I know it is not a flawless plan, but it is better than what we have now.

We also need to have fines (like in some countries) that are based on your income.

 

[gwuMACaddict]

I have no problems with red light/speed cameras or GPS enforcement of traffic laws. I just don't want the fines to be attributed to a vehicle. They need to be tied to a driver.

try living in the city, you'll have a problem with them right quick. i've gotten speeding tickits from those damn cameras for going 5 miles an hour over the limit on the beltway and 295. thats crap. i dont like the government watching me.

 

[takao]

try living in the city, you'll have a problem with them right quick. i've gotten speeding tickits from those damn cameras for going 5 miles an hour over the limit on the beltway and 295. thats crap. i dont like the government watching me.

here the tolerance is 10%... (you are photographed but don't get a ticket)..you gotta pay... isn't it similiar over there ? (i've no problem with any speeding cameras etc. but the austrian traffic lights are flashing green for few seconds before they turn orange... so getting caught red is difficult

side note: iTrip is illegal here too (and in germany/switzerland as well)
well to be more exact ..owning one is not illegal ...only using it ...you gotta buy a radio license for sending on those radio frequencies

 

[Sun Baked]

I'm not a lawyer, but my guess is this: It's not illegal to make an ID card, but it is illegal to provide fraudulent information for an ID card. And of course it's illegal to use a fraudulent ID card.

Under the new rules that fell on us after 9/11 -- it's probably a federal crime to make and have fake IDs (something about possessing fraudulent identification documents.)

Of course it's hard to remember all the things that are now illegal that wasn't before.

Here was the thing from Texas

The use of fake ID's to misrepresent one's age, while attempting to buy an alcoholic beverage, is a violation of the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Code. The possession, use, manufacture, or distribution of fake ID's is a violation of other state laws. The possession, use, manufacture, or distribution of counterfeit ID's -- some of the high quality fake ID's cross that line -- violates both state and federal law.

So iJon, guess you can't even make em or hold em in Texas.

 

[Chip NoVaMac]

try living in the city, you'll have a problem with them right quick. i've gotten speeding tickits from those damn cameras for going 5 miles an hour over the limit on the beltway and 295. thats crap. i dont like the government watching me.

I understand where you are coming from. I went through a "car" camera zone on 295 at maybe 7-10mph and never got a ticket (I hope that they can't claim "wrong address" as they did on DC taxes a number of years ago - I have lived in the same address for 12 years now in Va.).

I have heard the DC MPD Chief refuse to speak publicly about the the "comfort zone" on the speed limits. I can understand this on one point. On the other it would do much more in curbing speeding if there was a "zero tolerance" of those doing more than greater than 5mph+ over the limit. These tickets also need to be handled like "standard" speeding tickets in the courts. Meaning that if you can show speedometer "calibration"; most courts I have been in looked the other way.

The issue is that with the tickets you have received, is that they were tied to the car, not the driver. IMO that is wrong. If I loan you my car, should I be held responsible for traffic violations? Accidents are another matter since for the most part they are tied to the vehicle, not the driver (unless they accept the claim on their insurance).

My plan would put the blame where it it needs to go.

BTW, I risk life and limb driving I295 in Dc at the posted speed limit, not a lick above the posted.

- A second thought -
Maybe we need laws that make anything 10+ mph over the limit being reckless driving. And if a child is in the car, they should be charged with child endangerment. (This comes from a parent that drove with disregard to traffic laws - I'll leave it at that, other than to say my sister and I were in total terror at some points).

 

[takao]

Maybe we need laws that make anything 10+ mph over the limit being reckless driving.

you know what is funny: there exists a traffic law against 'racing' here, which is so generic that police officers can fine you when you accelerate to fast at a traffic light for example or when you drive 'too dangerous' ....

ah bureaucracy ... you gotta love it

i'm pretty sure fake id's have some nice laws as well

 

[mpw]

you know what is funny: there exists a traffic law against 'racing' here, which is so generic that police officers can fine you when you accelerate to fast at a traffic light for example or when you drive 'too dangerous' ....

ah bureaucracy ... you gotta love it

i'm pretty sure fake id's have some nice laws as well

I think, and will corrected if wrong, that Montana got rid or their speed limits in the early 90's when the US national limit was dropped and the States set their own. Now in Montana you can be given a ticket at any speed if the officer giving the ticket thinks your speed to be inappropriate. 100mph dry daylight might be OK but 40mph on an icy nights gonna' cost you.

 

[musicpyrite]

Ironically, my school news paper just did a story on fake IDs yesterday.... I checked some websites that sell fake IDs and they are selling them as 'novelty items'. Must be how so many people are able to do it and get away with it.

 

[sgarringer]

I think, and will corrected if wrong, that Montana got rid or their speed limits in the early 90's when the US national limit was dropped and the States set their own. Now in Montana you can be given a ticket at any speed if the officer giving the ticket thinks your speed to be inappropriate. 100mph dry daylight might be OK but 40mph on an icy nights gonna' cost you.

40 mph on an icy night is going to probably cost you your life.

its called reasonable and prudent. if its not reasonable to be driving 40 mph (like a snow storm) then you shouldnt be.

if you get a ticket thts teh least of your worries.

 

[MacNut]

I always take speed limits as a suggestion, as long as your close to the speed posted.

 

[rhpenguin]

(like in that Bruce Willis movie - name escapes me right now).

The Fifth Element....


But im in Ontario and used a NJ lisence for the longest time that i made myself on Photoshop and applied a little holographic paint to... No one here is the wiser as to whats legit and whats not when its a forign piece of ID. Now that im legal everywhere im planning on going (or will be as of the 24th) I could care less

 

[cocopelli]

As for the Montana laws...they reinstated a speed limit about 5-6 years ago after too many out of state douche bags that thought they could drive, but infact could not, had too many accidents. I believe its now set at 75 for freeways in the day and 70 at night. And as for the 40 mph in the ice, I would have to disagree with that really being dangerous. I grew up in north east washington and have driven on some sheit roads. It really has to do with your experience and the car, if you are driving an old 63' Ford truck with bald tyres 40 mph on icy roads then I hope you do wreck. However, if you have a nice new Audi with good snow/ice tyres then I say more power to you.

 

[Abstract]

I have no problems with red light/speed cameras or GPS enforcement of traffic laws. I just don't want the fines to be attributed to a vehicle. They need to be tied to a driver.

I agree, except if someone is caught speeding well beyond the speed limit (think 30 km/h, or maybe 20 mph over the limit) and not just a few clicks over. If someone is going that fast in the car, then maybe the owner of the car shouldn't have allowed his friend or whomever to drive his car to begin with. So while the owner of the car isn't the person speeding, he should possibly take more responsibility with regards to the type of people who drive his car. Lending the car to a driver who accidentally gets caught driving just 10 km/h over the limit or something.....well, maybe the owner of the car shouldn't get any blame at all since that could be a careless mistake and is something that most people do quite easily, what with new cars being sold with more and more power nowadays.

 

[Doctor Q]

I wonder if I was breaking the law when I forged that college diploma?

Before you lock me up, let me explain. My sister-in-law was setting up an office to go into business just after earning a professional degree. But they told her that her diploma wouldn't arrive in the mail for months. She wanted it on the wall. So I made her one that looked real enough, using the college's logo and appropriate fonts. She put it on the wall and replaced it when the real one arrived.

OK, now you can lock me up.