Finder asking for password to change/add tags

[JayElDee]

I'm running Ventura 13.1 on a Mac Mini 2018. This mini is part of my wired home network and I use it to edit files on an external drive connected to my desktop, a Mac 27"5k 2017, Monterey12.6.2.
Recently, I believe since upgrading to Ventura, if I try to change the tags on one particular folder on that external drive I get a message:
Finder wants to change the tags on <filename>.mp4, Enter your password. It wants the password of the Mac mini.
This is new behavior. It wasn't present on Monterey. It is not present on my desktop running Monterey 12.6.2. And it is annoying and slows me down. TBC, it only happens on the Mac Mini—Ventura, not the computer to which the external is connected—Monterey.
If I do enter the password. then I get an error message:
the operation cannot be completed An unexpected error occurred (error code -8058).
Then, the strangest of all happens; the tag gets changed!

So, I deleted com.apple.finder.plist and rebooted. No change in this behavior.
Under Sharing and permission, it says I have custom access and i do not see anything that would prevent the operation. I've looked at the "get info" of the affected folder and see no smoking gun, like "locked" or anything amiss in sharing and permissions.

Any help to get rid of this annoyance other than going back to Monterey would be appreciated.
J

 

[mabee]

I'm running Ventura 13.1 on a Mac Mini 2018. This mini is part of my wired home network and I use it to edit files on an external drive connected to my desktop, a Mac 27"5k 2017, Monterey12.6.2.
Recently, I believe since upgrading to Ventura, if I try to change the tags on one particular folder on that external drive I get a message:
Finder wants to change the tags on <filename>.mp4, Enter your password. It wants the password of the Mac mini.
This is new behavior. It wasn't present on Monterey. It is not present on my desktop running Monterey 12.6.2. And it is annoying and slows me down. TBC, it only happens on the Mac Mini—Ventura, not the computer to which the external is connected—Monterey.
If I do enter the password. then I get an error message:
the operation cannot be completed An unexpected error occurred (error code -8058).
Then, the strangest of all happens; the tag gets changed!

So, I deleted com.apple.finder.plist and rebooted. No change in this behavior.
Under Sharing and permission, it says I have custom access and i do not see anything that would prevent the operation. I've looked at the "get info" of the affected folder and see no smoking gun, like "locked" or anything amiss in sharing and permissions.

Any help to get rid of this annoyance other than going back to Monterey would be appreciated.
J

I'm having the same "Finder wants to change the tags on <filename>" under some different conditions.

1) I'm running macOS Monterey 12.6.2, not Ventura 13.1 on a 5K, 27-inch, 2019. (Software updates are available to be installed later tonight.)
2) The external hard drive I just connected came from a computer running OS X El Capitan 10.11.6 where I was not experiencing any such problem.
3) All I do is select the file in Finder.
4) The final line requests an ADMINISTRATOR's name and password to allow this.

My response has only been to click cancel.

This has happened on most all files I have tested, but not all. I am not going to test all 487,379 files!

It has happened on files are tagged and on files which are not tagged. Tagged files may be tagged only with a color, tagged only with a name, or tagged with both, and may contain multiple tags.

I think I'll return this drive to the original computer (El Capitan), share the drive, and connect to the share from this computer (Monterey) to see what happens.

But first ...
... I just turned off the Preview pane in Finder and my problem seem to have vanished. (Hint, the Preview was not enabled in Finder on the computer running El Capitan.) I'll probably test the Preview pane on El Capitan before setting up a network share.

I have spent 59 years diagnosing computer problems and I think I'll let Apple figure this bug out (if they care) while I return to the original task. Maybe, in a week or two, I'll return to look at this some more.

 

[JayElDee]

thanks for chiming in. My preview pane was not enabled during this behavior. I tried enabling it tnen hiding it and no change.
Just to make it more puzzling I'll add that when I get the request for the password and then I cancel, if I repeat that (futile) effort 3 or more times and try again, I will get an error message with: the operation cannot be completed, error 8058, Then, doing nothing else, the tag will appear. It may take more than a few seconds, but it shows up. Doesn't do it all the time, but maybe 70-75% of the time? Before it shows up I get an 8058 error message
Searching for 8058 brings up this

Error Code: -8058 - Apple Community

discussions.apple.com

and that really doesn't help, though the problems mentioned sound similar.
Sounds like a bug to me rather than a settings issue. People are reporting it as far back as leopard!

 

[HDFan]

I use it to edit files on an external drive connected to my desktop,

How is the drive connected to your computer? How is it formatted?

 

[JayElDee]

USB C and mac journaled iirc. It is a LaCie Quad 4tb. It is connected to my desktop that is my main computer. It is running the latest Monterey, I do not have the problem there.
the computer that is giving the issue is on my home network via ethernet. It is a Mac Mini running the latest Ventura 13.1.
Just got notification that 13.2 is ava. Going to upgrade now and check

 

[JayElDee]

Just upgraded to 13.2. Same behavior.

 

[mabee]

thanks for chiming in. My preview pane was not enabled during this behavior. I tried enabling it tnen hiding it and no change.
Just to make it more puzzling I'll add that when I get the request for the password and then I cancel, if I repeat that (futile) effort 3 or more times and try again, I will get an error message with: the operation cannot be completed, error 8058, Then, doing nothing else, the tag will appear. It may take more than a few seconds, but it shows up. Doesn't do it all the time, but maybe 70-75% of the time? Before it shows up I get an 8058 error message
Searching for 8058 brings up this

Error Code: -8058 - Apple Community

discussions.apple.com

and that really doesn't help, though the problems mentioned sound similar.
Sounds like a bug to me rather than a settings issue. People are reporting it as far back as leopard!

I can't say I ever tried it three or more times on the same file, certainly not in a row. I tried quite a few files, scrolling down and up within the Finder window, possibly hitting the same file twice or even three times, but not in succession.

In my book, this is clearly a bug.

 

[AfdhelMunaj]

I found the reason for this issue. It's due to the sharing permissions being set to "Read-only". Click on "Get info" on the affected file(s), scroll down to "Sharing and Permissions", and change "Privilege" to read & write for your user account. This worked for me.

 

[haralds]

I'm having the same "Finder wants to change the tags on <filename>" under some different conditions.

1) I'm running macOS Monterey 12.6.2, not Ventura 13.1 on a 5K, 27-inch, 2019. (Software updates are available to be installed later tonight.)
2) The external hard drive I just connected came from a computer running OS X El Capitan 10.11.6 where I was not experiencing any such problem.
3) All I do is select the file in Finder.
4) The final line requests an ADMINISTRATOR's name and password to allow this.

My response has only been to click cancel.

This has happened on most all files I have tested, but not all. I am not going to test all 487,379 files!

It has happened on files are tagged and on files which are not tagged. Tagged files may be tagged only with a color, tagged only with a name, or tagged with both, and may contain multiple tags.

I think I'll return this drive to the original computer (El Capitan), share the drive, and connect to the share from this computer (Monterey) to see what happens.

But first ...
... I just turned off the Preview pane in Finder and my problem seem to have vanished. (Hint, the Preview was not enabled in Finder on the computer running El Capitan.) I'll probably test the Preview pane on El Capitan before setting up a network share.

I have spent 59 years diagnosing computer problems and I think I'll let Apple figure this bug out (if they care) while I return to the original task. Maybe, in a week or two, I'll return to look at this some more.

On an external drive, check the ownership of the files. It might have "Ignore Ownership" disabled. Even if the files were owned by you on another system, your User ID/Grup ID number on the other system could be different.

 

[JayElDee]

It might have "Ignore Ownership" disabled. Even if the files were owned by you on another system, your User ID/Grup ID number on the other system could be different.

So, should ignore ownership be checked or unchecked?
Aside: all of my permissions are read & write

 

[JayElDee]

Wanted to give some happy followup.
I installed the latest Ventura on my desktop machine and Sonoma on my mac mini and the problem is resolved.
Hope this helps someone