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Being new to this ppc world, although interesting a little frustrating. Apologies if going over well trodden old ground. I've an older tech buffalo dual drive which has firewire as well as usb connections. When connected with the firewire (400 6pin) the two drives show up on the powerbook g4 and I can read/write format etc but it doesn't show up as a bootable option startup disk(s) in preferences or at startup using option key. In posts I've read, I'm of the belief the laptop should be able to boot from an external firewire (although probably not the one I'm trying it with) any specs on one it will work with?
 
The PowerBook can boot from an external FireWire drive. What are the drives formatted as, APM or GUID? Check in Disk Utility. Generally speaking, they must be formatted as APM to be bootable on PowerPC Macs. Do they have a compatible version of Mac OS X installed on them?
 
Now your asking, not sure. Can only recall extended journaled as an option. For example this morning using the disk utility I did a restore of my 10.5.6 dmg image onto one of the drives, expecting that to be enough. I'm pretty sure thats all I had to do with the sorbet I put on my other recently acquired powerbook (1.67 g4). As I say, still new at this and if I'm missing something in the format process, I'd welcome any pointers.
 
Here are two options for booting from your external FireWire drive:

Option 1

Use Carbon Copy Cloner to "clone" the OS currently installed on your computer to the FireWire drive. You can download a copy of CCC here:


Option 2

Use an OS X install disc to install a fresh copy of the OS on the FireWire drive. Alternately, this would be a perfect opportunity to install Sorbet Leopard:


Good luck—and may The Force be with you.
 
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Now your asking, not sure. Can only recall extended journaled as an option. For example this morning using the disk utility I did a restore of my 10.5.6 dmg image onto one of the drives, expecting that to be enough. I'm pretty sure thats all I had to do with the sorbet I put on my other recently acquired powerbook (1.67 g4). As I say, still new at this and if I'm missing something in the format process, I'd welcome any pointers.

Go ahead and pop open Disk Utility once more, select the physical drive associated with those two FireWire volumes, and see what shows up below. It ought to look something like this (emphasis on “Partition Map Scheme”):

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If Partition Map Scheme shows something like “Master Boot Record” or “GUID Partition Table”, but not “Apple Partition Map”, then your PowerPC Mac, even if those two FireWire volumes have a version of Mac OS X on them, will generally not be able to boot from them. (There are noteworthy exceptions to this rule, but it’s generally a rule for good reason: a handful of PowerPC Macs are able to boot from a different partition map scheme, but all PowerPC Macs are able to boot OS X from a “Apple Partition Map” volume.)

You’ll want that FireWire drive (the disk itself, not the two volumes on it) to have an “Apple Partition Map”, or APM for short.

If you need to do that, then you will first need to re-partition your FireWire drive as “Apple Partition Map” and decide on how many volume partitions you’d like to have for it.

Under Disk Utility’s “Partitions” tab, you can select the “Options…” button, after deciding on how many partitions you’d like, to select the Partition Map Scheme. Select “Apple Partition Map (APM)”. Run the partition/format step next. Now, you can mirror or install OS X onto the FireWire volume(s), and the Mac you have should be able to boot from it, as well.

Doing the above, however, will delete all the data from that FireWire drive, so if there’s any data on there you’d like to keep, make a backup of those first.
 
Thanks for that detailed "how to" I'll set it all up later and have a play. The firewire drive I'm using can be configured in any way shape of form as required. What I'm sort of aiming at here is to do all the OS experimenting on an external drive as the internal drives (2x G4's) both work okay at the moment. When I've a bit more confidence, then I may tackle any over-writing of the internal drive(s) as needed.
 
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I like CCC too but wanted to add disk utility as an option. It should already be present on the hdd in case you dont have inet access (to DL CCC) and you can just connect up the FW drive and restore to it from DU - the same method as restoring a fresh Sorby image to a machine.
 
Thanks for that detailed "how to" I'll set it all up later and have a play. The firewire drive I'm using can be configured in any way shape of form as required. What I'm sort of aiming at here is to do all the OS experimenting on an external drive as the internal drives (2x G4's) both work okay at the moment. When I've a bit more confidence, then I may tackle any over-writing of the internal drive(s) as needed.

You got this.

Setting up the external disk for experimenting with various OSes is what a few of us like to do around here! :)
 
Quick update /feedback, after an afternoon/evening of playing. I'm pleased to be able to report back that my firewire drive can now allow me to external boot on both its drives (its a two separate or raid user configurable arrangement). Once I used partition on the drive(s) in disk utility the options mentioned before were there. I also used ccc for the other one. Somewhat more confident now. Thanks again.
 
You can even boot from USB on a PowerPC Mac.. its quite easy to set up, but you need to use Open Firmware to do it.. boot ud:,\\:tbi
 
True, but I boot all the time from is because I don't have any firewire drives, maybe need to get one. USB sticks give more space than FW drives though, although Hrutkay Mods shows how possible it is to install SSD in those.
 
"Setting up the external disk for experimenting with various
OSes is what a few of us like to do around here!"


Some or us even do this internally as well.;)
Early firewire on G3 B&Ws is persnickety at best.
Won't stop me trying firewire drives on the B&W.
Even if I can't boot the B&W from one.

(Recall using Drive Setup 1.9.2 to format those FW drives?)

From a recent Rev.2 B&W SSD test project here:

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"Setting up the external disk for experimenting with various OSes is what a few of us like to do around here!"

Some or us even do this internally as well.;)
Early firewire on G3 B&Ws is persnickety at best.

Won't stop me trying firewire drives on the B&W.
Even if I can't boot the B&W from one.

(Recall using Drive Setup 1.9.2 to format those FW drives?)

From a recent Rev.2 B&W SSD test project here:

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Just as a sidebar you might want to know:

Colour treatment of text in replies can, if not careful, make it difficult to read for users who have MR set to dark mode.

This is how your post was rendered on my browser:

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Point taken and noted.
I did switch to light mode in order to compose.
(But have yet to switch back.) Thanks.
 
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Point taken and noted.
I did switch to light mode in order to compose.
(But have yet to switch back.) Thanks.

At least for black-text-on-white, the default, dark mode on MR knows to invert that to white-text-on-dark without a need to manually override. Some colour-highlighted hues, meanwhile, work better in both modes than others.
 
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I'm liking the sound of usb booting, may have to look into that now aswell.
 
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