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First ATI Mobility Radeon 4850 benchmarks

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Yixian

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The first of the 4*** series for portables is expected in Q3 '08, and just in the last few days the first benchmark results have leaked on the card:

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Newsentry.153+M5972edd65ef.0.html

It ranks as slightly faster than the current fastest single card for notebooks, the Nvidia 9800 GTX.

The known specs are:

• Codename M98
• 800 shader units
• 256 bit memory bus
• up to 1 gb graphics memroy
• 55 nm process
• DirectX 10.1

Are we thinking these could find their way into the next MBP revision?

Would be a dream come true, they're supposedly much cooler than the 9800 GTX, obviously, but even more powerful!
 
"450 Watt or greater power supply with 75 Watt 6-pin PCI Express® power connector recommended (550 Watt and two 6-pin connectors for ATI CrossFireX™ technology in dual mode)."

Yay Google! From ATI's website.
 
Dude that's the desktop model -_-

Nobody knows the power consumption of the Mobility 4850, but it's rumored to be on the low side, like between 25-35. Then again that's just talk on notebookreview.

But this is real "next gen" stuff, all fresh tech, and as far as I know they're going for the next gen mid range with this card.
 
Yixian said:
Dude that's the desktop model -_-

Nobody knows the power consumption of the Mobility 4850, but it's rumored to be on the low side, like between 25-35. Then again that's just talk on notebookreview.

But this is real "next gen" stuff, all fresh tech, and as far as I know they're going for the next gen mid range with this card.
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Tallest Skil said:
Desktop model.
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Haha, I guess I should have read what I actually pasted, shouldn't I? Sorry! :)
Forgive me.
 
Wow, if there is a case redesign for the MBP, and provides better cooling for the components this can really be a possibility. However, 4850 ... is going to become the next mid range card, but in notebooks thats not going to be in the next update ... MAYBE in the future.
 
It was supposed to be out by the end of Q3, which ends in September, so.. maybe we could see it in the new MBPs?

It would finally offer performance worthy of the price tag.
 
Yixian said:
It was supposed to be out by the end of Q3, which ends in September, so.. maybe we could see it in the new MBPs?

It would finally offer performance worthy of the price tag.
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I would be so happy...I'd be dancing around the Apple Store when I go to pick up my MBP. :D
 
Yixian said:
It was supposed to be out by the end of Q3, which ends in September, so.. maybe we could see it in the new MBPs?

It would finally offer performance worthy of the price tag.
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If it has the same or lower power draw than the 8600m GT, then we see it in the new MacBook Pros.
 
Yixian said:
The first of the 4*** series for portables is expected in Q3 '08, and just in the last few days the first benchmark results have leaked on the card:

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Newsentry.153+M5972edd65ef.0.html

It ranks as slightly faster than the current fastest single card for notebooks, the Nvidia 9800 GTX.
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W O W !

But then again, I expected that from the desktop cards' performance.

Yixian said:
Are we thinking these could find their way into the next MBP revision?

Would be a dream come true, they're supposedly much cooler than the 9800 GTX, obviously, but even more powerful!
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Only if their power consumption is at most a little more than the current 8600M GT. Maybe Apple could underclock it through the floor to reduce its power enough to fit in the MacBook Pro but still having > 8700M performance.

If ATI moves to 40 nm fast enough (they seem to be skipping 45 nm), I've heard H1 2009 for desktop GPUs, we could see a much cooler Mobility HD 4850 (HD 5850? :D) in time for the Q3 2009 Nehalem update.

They can definitely go in the iMacs though, since the 24" has a 8800 option. But the AppleInsider rumor about them said the upcoming (late 2008) iMacs would be mainly "speed bumps."

So we might be waiting until well into 2009 for GPUs like this to come to the non-Mac Pro Macs. :(:rolleyes::mad:
 
i dont think it will be in the next mbp, its way faster than the 9800 and that only appears in power hungry DTR machines that are 17in or more in size and very thick or packed with fans

i'd expect a lower specified model than that for the mbp
 
The current 8600M GT uses around 20 watts right? Is there any card in that power consumption range that might show up in the next MBP? I heard the 9650M GT is pretty good...?
 
Solid Raven said:
The current 8600M GT uses around 20 watts right? Is there any card in that power consumption range that might show up in the next MBP? I heard the 9650M GT is pretty good...?
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I haven't seen any 9*** power consumption numbers.

The 9500M GS is a 55 nm 8600M GT, so it'll have lower power consumption. Directly up from it are the 9600M GS, 9600M GT, and 9650M GS (55 nm 8700M GT), which I think are likely GPUs for the next MacBook Pro.
 
iMacmatician said:
I haven't seen any 9*** power consumption numbers.

The 9500M GS is a 55 nm 8600M GT, so it'll have lower power consumption. Directly up from it are the 9600M GS, 9600M GT, and 9650M GS (55 nm 8700M GT), which I think are likely GPUs for the next MacBook Pro.
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Found a site: notebookcheck.net

The 8600M GT appears to be 20 watts indeed
The 9500M GS: no info, i guess lower than 20
9600M GS: no info, around 20 probably
9600M GT: 23 watt
9650M GS: 29 watt
9650M GT: 23 watt

Don't know if this site is reliable though, just did a quick google. 23 will probably be too much for apple's standards, maybe if they'd underclock it.

Anyways, I hope to see at least some kind of improvement over the 8600m gt. Are the 9M series known to have defective components too? ('cause I heard some of them are based on the same 8M core or whatever they call it)
 
i have the desktop version of this card, and it gets very very hot

so unless they can greatly reduce that..unfortunatly no
 
The 9650M GT appears to score 5600 in 3dmark 06 to the 9650M GS's 4800, and at 23 watts to the GS's 29, so if the 9650 cards aren't affected by the defect then maybe the GT it is. Should be fair.

EDIT: Ok I am finally placing my bets, I reckon we'll get the 9650M GT, and I'd be very very happy with it too, it's already a fair bit faster than the 9650M GS and is apparently good for a 100mhz overclock. I've read it's good to go on Crysis at just below 1440 res on high with the right config.

Very nice. Great little card. Plus it has a built in 9100M G for the hybrid-power business, where the computer can switch between that and the 9650M GT, to save a LOT of power. Come on Apple don't disappoint, this is the card.
 
Yixian said:
The 9650M GT appears to score 5600 in 3dmark 06 to the 9650M GS's 4800, and at 23 watts to the GS's 29, so if the 9650 cards aren't affected by the defect then maybe the GT it is. Should be fair.

EDIT: Ok I am finally placing my bets, I reckon we'll get the 9650M GT, and I'd be very very happy with it too, it's already a fair bit faster than the 9650M GS and is apparently good for a 100mhz overclock. I've read it's good to go on Crysis at just below 1440 res on high with the right config.

Very nice. Great little card. Plus it has a built in 9100M G for the hybrid-power business, where the computer can switch between that and the 9650M GT, to save a LOT of power. Come on Apple don't disappoint, this is the card.
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Well I think those are very real expectations. I think we have a chance of seeing the ATI 4850 if and only if it has some type of hybrid power that would allow it to draw 20 watts or less. With all the defective mess surrounding Nvidia though, it would really make sense for Apple to choose a different route than Nvidia.

Go ahead and add on the fact that ATI has better drivers for Apple, and the 4850 makes a lot of sense if you can switch it to some type of hybrid power to extend battery life, but you have to be able to cool it as well which may be a problem for Apple.
 
This is ridiculous.

The 4850 employs 800 shaders. That's 2.5x as many as the 3850/3870, and we know those are way too hot/heavy to run in a MBP.

Even with a die shrink, seriously, do you honestly think it's possible to get it below 40 W? I'd be very surprised.

But it doesn't matter. Because the best you could possibly ever hope for would be a 4650, which employs the same 320 shaders as the old high-end 3850/70. Maybe this would be doable with the die-shrink... maybe. If so, that'd be great.

However, a 48xx card won't make it into the new MBP. Or the one after that. Or ever.

Why?

It's a high-end card.

Apple has never, ever, ever used a high end card in its laptop line, and they've been making them with graphics cards for quite some time now (over ten years). In fact, they've never used a high-end graphics card standard even in the most expensive Power Mac or Mac Pro, and high-end Power Macs used to cost nearly $5,000.

This has been mentioned many times.

As for a 9650 GT, hopefully not..... AFAIK they're just as affected by the faulty GPU as is the 8600 (it's built on the same exact design).

I'd love to see a 4650, though I sincerely doubt they'll be out in time. A 3670 would be a disappointment, but then, I don't really see any other (non-failing) options.
 
I'm not sure if the 9650M GT is supposed to come with that defect, it was only officially revealed a few days ago. I hope it doesn't, it seems like the perfect card.

A 3670 would be crushingly disappointing.
 
Yixian said:
I'm not sure if the 9650M GT is supposed to come with that defect, it was only officially revealed a few days ago. I hope it doesn't, it seems like the perfect card.

A 3670 would be crushingly disappointing.
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If it's not defective, you're right... it would be a great card for the MBP niche with it's decent power and low wattage. Though, ATI has always led in image quality, and they seem to have a real edge in Core Image applications in OS X.

A 3670 wouldn't be that bad. It's still faster than an 8600 GT, and doesn't have any known issues like that. And has the ATI image quality and presumably better Core Image performance :)
 
Yixian said:
I'm not sure if the 9650M GT is supposed to come with that defect, it was only officially revealed a few days ago. I hope it doesn't, it seems like the perfect card.

A 3670 would be crushingly disappointing.
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I do not know why you guys care so much about video cards. Just be happy with what Apple gives us. :p
 
See if they could put a freaking moose like this in the MBP, then we could get some better graphics (at least a 2400XT or something) in the Macbook.
 
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