i don't at all mean to be ungrateful to macromedia, they've certainly helped out the mac platform with their great software, but have you used the flash plug-in? i'm not too familiar with flash in os9, and let me state that i love jokes, but this one is getting old. where is the real flash plug-in? you know, the one that allows me to play a simple breakout clone without stuttering? true, my 500mhz g3 is no performance beast, but i downloaded r60 and decided to check out a simple flash game called "water balloon wars" or something like that (really basic, laughably basic) and i would get about 1 frame/3 seconds until it finally froze netscape with the beachball of death.