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So i switched from Windows to Mac Mini (m1) 2 weeks ago, and noticed that fonts on webpages looks really washed out, like bad smoothing on the letters. On windows there is a "cleartype" feature that fixes this. Are there any similar settings on Big sur?

Just check the text on the photo i took of my screen:

 
Font smoothing is automatic in Big Sur. Modern displays are driven at "retina" resolution so sub-pixel rendering solutions like ClearType aren't needed. You should get the best resolution by operating your display at it's default resolution, see System Preferences > Displays.

Your example using a website could also have that appearance because of the font used, and the zoom setting you're using for that particular site.
 
Font smoothing is automatic in Big Sur. Modern displays are driven at "retina" resolution so sub-pixel rendering solutions like ClearType aren't needed. You should get the best resolution by operating your display at it's default resolution, see System Preferences > Displays.

Your example using a website could also have that appearance because of the font used, and the zoom setting you're using for that particular site.

My screen settings are already set at maximum resolution and hz.

And this shows up on all webpages, and not just that one from the screenshot. Is there a way to fix this somehow? everything looks pretty **** on the screen when i switched from Windows to mac!


 
What happens if you set the display to the default resolution rather than the maximum resolution?

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Please identify the browser and version the images are from. Also identify the URL of the website, and any zoom settings you might have.

Please identify the specific model of monitor you're taking photos of, and how it's connected to the Mac mini (cable).

The more specific you can be, the more information we'll have to work with.
 
What happens if you set the display to the default resolution rather than the maximum resolution?
It switches to the same resolution (5120x1440) at 60hz, instead of my 120hz. thats it. Same bad fonts tho!
 
Please identify the browser and version the images are from. Also identify the URL of the website, and any zoom settings you might have.

Please identify the specific model of monitor you're taking photos of, and how it's connected to the Mac mini (cable).

The more specific you can be, the more information we'll have to work with.


The monitor i use is a Samsung C49RG90, conencted to my mac mini (m1) with DP to USBC 1.4 cable. I use chrome with 100% zoom and default fonts
 
Could be several things: 1) White text on black background has repeatedly and over many years been shown to be harder to read, and especially if you have an astigmatism, so it could simply be that you are looking at an especially poorly designed site. So make sure that things actually look bad to you everywhere. 2) A badly calibrated monitor. I'm looking at a 2560x1440 (so non-high-dpi) monitor right now and it looks great, but I had to do a proper monitor calibration to make it so. The default calibration that MacOS chose for the monitor was not good enough; way too much contrast and this caused a lot of aliasing along the edges of text. To access the advanced options you have to hold down the 'option' key when selecting the Calibrate function. 3) Poor quality monitor. There are certainly some monitors than never do a great job with text, period, no matter how hard you try. We use a fair number of these cheapies in the education environment. 4) Apple totally disabled sub-pixel rendering when they went to retina displays across the line. The downside is that if you have a non-high-dpi monitor (like mine) this makes it harder to get things looking good. I prefer Microsoft's solution of giving the end-user the option to turn it on and off as they desire. But you know, this is Apple, and trust me, someone (probably everyone) working at Apple firmly believes they know better than you do how you should be using your computer, even though they've never met you or seen how you use your computer. That doesn't matter, it's Apple's way of f*ck off! Need something better for you? Too bad, what you get is whatever Apple wants. Microsoft is moving more in this direction too, so I guess eventually everyone who actually wants full control of their computers will be stuck with Linux or nothing at all. Anyway, I digress. You can attempt to re-enable sub-pixel smoothing and see if that helps, or even still works, https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/the-subpixel-aa-debacle-and-font-rendering.2184484/ 5) MacOS and Windows font rendering has always been different and it's always been a bit jarring moving between the two. You may just need time to adjust. But don't be surprised if it's always a bit of a transition when you move back and forth a lot like I do. 6) Improperly adjusted monitor. It's often tempting to keep the contrast set way up to make colors 'pop' nice and vibrant, but this can really mess up the edges of text. Make sure you don't have your basic monitor adjustments set improperly. It's an easy mistake to make, and your settings that worked on your Windows box may not work well at all when that same monitor is connected to your Mac, so be prepared to play both with the software calibration and the hardware settings. 7) Should have put this first, but thought of it last: Your Mac may be detecting your monitor incorrectly and using the wrong color mode. It's been an annoying but not terribly common issue for some time now. I've been hearing more about it on the newer M1 systems: https://spin.atomicobject.com/2018/08/24/macbook-pro-external-monitor-display-problem/ Good luck fixing this if it turns out the be the case, as it's a real PITA if it can be fixed at all.

You should certainly be able to get it to work properly in the end as what you are seeing is not normal. For reference here are pics of my mid-range ACER screen taken with my iPhone on this page in normal and dark modes, and they certainly look just fine. Nothing like what you are seeing:

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The monitor i use is a Samsung C49RG90, conencted to my mac mini (m1) with DP to USBC 1.4 cable.
That is a 'gaming' monitor. Arguably not a good choice for macOS. It is only 1440p vertically which is about 110ppi (pixels per inch). To get really crisp text you need one with twice that resolution. For example, the 27" iMac is about 220ppi.
 
Could be several things: 1) White text on black background has repeatedly and over many years been shown to be harder to read, and especially if you have an astigmatism, so it could simply be that you are looking at an especially poorly designed site. So make sure that things actually look bad to you everywhere. 2) A badly calibrated monitor. I'm looking at a 2560x1440 (so non-high-dpi) monitor right now and it looks great, but I had to do a proper monitor calibration to make it so. The default calibration that MacOS chose for the monitor was not good enough; way too much contrast and this caused a lot of aliasing along the edges of text. To access the advanced options you have to hold down the 'option' key when selecting the Calibrate function. 3) Poor quality monitor. There are certainly some monitors than never do a great job with text, period, no matter how hard you try. We use a fair number of these cheapies in the education environment. 4) Apple totally disabled sub-pixel rendering when they went to retina displays across the line. The downside is that if you have a non-high-dpi monitor (like mine) this makes it harder to get things looking good. I prefer Microsoft's solution of giving the end-user the option to turn it on and off as they desire. But you know, this is Apple, and trust me, someone (probably everyone) working at Apple firmly believes they know better than you do how you should be using your computer, even though they've never met you or seen how you use your computer. That doesn't matter, it's Apple's way of f*ck off! Need something better for you? Too bad, what you get is whatever Apple wants. Microsoft is moving more in this direction too, so I guess eventually everyone who actually wants full control of their computers will be stuck with Linux or nothing at all. Anyway, I digress. You can attempt to re-enable sub-pixel smoothing and see if that helps, or even still works, https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/the-subpixel-aa-debacle-and-font-rendering.2184484/ 5) MacOS and Windows font rendering has always been different and it's always been a bit jarring moving between the two. You may just need time to adjust. But don't be surprised if it's always a bit of a transition when you move back and forth a lot like I do. 6) Improperly adjusted monitor. It's often tempting to keep the contrast set way up to make colors 'pop' nice and vibrant, but this can really mess up the edges of text. Make sure you don't have your basic monitor adjustments set improperly. It's an easy mistake to make, and your settings that worked on your Windows box may not work well at all when that same monitor is connected to your Mac, so be prepared to play both with the software calibration and the hardware settings. 7) Should have put this first, but thought of it last: Your Mac may be detecting your monitor incorrectly and using the wrong color mode. It's been an annoying but not terribly common issue for some time now. I've been hearing more about it on the newer M1 systems: https://spin.atomicobject.com/2018/08/24/macbook-pro-external-monitor-display-problem/ Good luck fixing this if it turns out the be the case, as it's a real PITA if it can be fixed at all.

You should certainly be able to get it to work properly in the end as what you are seeing is not normal. For reference here are pics of my mid-range ACER screen taken with my iPhone on this page in normal and dark modes, and they certainly look just fine. Nothing like what you are seeing:

View attachment 1760539View attachment 1760540


Your text on the photo looks way much better than mine does.

I went into the color calibration and followed the process, but that didnt do anything extra for the smoothness.
Its pretty strange that the text is so different from a windows machine vs Mac. The text on my Windows 10 was perfect.
 
Its pretty strange that the text is so different from a windows machine vs Mac. The text on my Windows 10 was perfect.
Not strange - deliberate. Apple gave up on sub-pixel anti-aliasing some time ago, Microsoft have not.

Macs users are expected to use a high resolution (Retina in Apple-speak) for the best experience. In marketing terms: 'Retina' means that you can't see individual pixels when viewed from normal distance. In technical terms: 'Retina' requires a monitor ideally with 220 pixels per inch (but something around that will do fine). Yours with 110 ppi does not cut it for the best Apple experience.

I am sure your widescreen monitor looks gorgeous for videos and games, but it won't for text. That is the compromise you have made.
 
I will stop being negative about your choice of screen.

Have a read of this: https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/337870/how-to-turn-subpixel-antialiasing-on-in-macos-10-14. I know it relates to macOS 10.14, but there may well be some useful hints.

In particular, it refers to TinkerTool which (for BS) still includes this screen
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Try 'old style' smoothing with different settings from the drop down list.

I actually use the monitor for programing, and thats why i need a wide screen :)

I tried the tinker app before, but it doesnt seem to do any changes on big sur (at all). I also downloaded the "font smoothing adjuster" app that seems to have done changes to the fonts, so its still bad, but not as bad as before.
 
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i found out what causing this, its the "antialiasing" feature on chrome causing the ****** fonts. Ive uploaded two photos with antialiasing on regular smoothing vs antialiasing (on 9to5mac, since their fonts looks really bad on my monitor): https://postimg.cc/gallery/5xG0y84

is there a way to disable the antialiasing on chrome completely?
 
i found out what causing this, its the "antialiasing" feature on chrome causing the ****** fonts. Ive uploaded two photos with antialiasing on regular smoothing vs antialiasing (on 9to5mac, since their fonts looks really bad on my monitor): https://postimg.cc/gallery/5xG0y84

is there a way to disable the antialiasing on chrome completely?

TBH I think you'll probably find that Chrome as a whole is vastly less popular among Mac users than Windows users, for reasons exactly like this one, so my first suggestion is to run, not walk, away from that hot mess as fast as possible. Look at Safari, Firefox, or other Chromium-based-but-not-Google-Chrome browsers (Brave, etc.) Unless you absolutely rely on extensions that are Google-Chrome only you'll almost certainly have a better experience elsewhere.

But, if you want to disable Chrome's own smoothing techniques I believe you have to disable hardware acceleration in Chrome completely. https://superuser.com/questions/1422169/how-to-fix-jagged-font-google-chrome-in-osx

Keep playing with sub-pixel antialiasing, if you can, since you are using a "non-retina" display. It's downright absurd that Apple disabled this feature by default back when they released Mojave and didn't provide a way to enable and disable it.
 
TBH I think you'll probably find that Chrome as a whole is vastly less popular among Mac users than Windows users, for reasons exactly like this one, so my first suggestion is to run, not walk, away from that hot mess as fast as possible. Look at Safari, Firefox, or other Chromium-based-but-not-Google-Chrome browsers (Brave, etc.) Unless you absolutely rely on extensions that are Google-Chrome only you'll almost certainly have a better experience elsewhere.

But, if you want to disable Chrome's own smoothing techniques I believe you have to disable hardware acceleration in Chrome completely. https://superuser.com/questions/1422169/how-to-fix-jagged-font-google-chrome-in-osx

Keep playing with sub-pixel antialiasing, if you can, since you are using a "non-retina" display. It's downright absurd that Apple disabled this feature by default back when they released Mojave and didn't provide a way to enable and disable it.
The hardware acceleration was actually the first thing i disabled in chrome, so its been off the entire time :)
Unfortunately i need to have Chrome installed, due to some plugins thats shared between my work computer (windows) and my mac.
 
You are I both have the exact same situation unfortunately. I have the same monitor and just bought a 16GB Mac Mini M1 and I'm having the same issues with "sharp" or "mushed together" text.

I feel like somebody will create a new sub-pixel rendering third party software at some point, I also had no luck with Tinker Tool or the commands defaults -currentHost write -g AppleFontSmoothing -int 3.

Unfortunately I think we may have to wait, hopefully somebody creates a nice third party solution.
 
Crap. I just came across this post. Did you guys get it sorted out? I have the c49rg90 coming tomrorow to pair with my Mac mini m1 16gb
 
You can turn off the "font smoothing" in the MacOS BigSur via a terminal command.

Personnaly i hate font smoothing. And every time I jump to my Windows notebook I feel the fonts are pleasant to see. Then people has discovered this


defaults -currentHost write -g AppleFontSmoothing -int 0
 
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