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As I understand, all PowerMac G5s came with SATA hard drives. Has anyone attempted to add a PATA drive in addition to the optical drive?

My searches have been without fruition, but I believe I would need:
I would replace the existing IDE cable and attach the molex splitter between the optical drive and the power source, and have the IDE drive unmounted on top of the optical.

I suppose I could also just get one of https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00EOJNGC2/ which includes the power splitter as well as an adapter for another SATA drive.

Has anyone tried dual PATA drives in the PowerMac G5 already? Any success?
 
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Sure did, cos I kinda had to....

Early MorphOS-Betas with G5 support lacked SATA support so one had to boot from IDE hooked up to the DVD's cable.

Not for the clumpsy-fingered....
 
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As I understand, all PowerMac G5s came with SATA hard drives. Has anyone attempted to add a PATA drive in addition to the optical drive?

My searches have been without fruition, but I believe I would need:
I would replace the existing IDE cable and attach the molex splitter between the optical drive and the power source, and have the IDE drive unmounted on top of the optical.

I suppose I could also just get one of https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00EOJNGC2/ which includes the power splitter as well as an adapter for another SATA drive.

Has anyone tried dual PATA drives in the PowerMac G5 already? Any success?
I ran 2 SATA drives, and a PATA drive sitting on top of the optical drive for about 2 years. No problems. I just replaced the IDE cable with one that could accommodate a slave disk so I could use the optical drive too.
That IDE drive ran Tiger.
 
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I ran 2 SATA drives, and a PATA drive sitting on top of the optical drive for about 2 years. No problems. I just replaced the IDE cable with one that could accommodate a slave disk so I could use the optical drive too.
That IDE drive ran Tiger.

It's an ATA/100 interface, isn't it?

How was performance?
 
Pretty sure its 133 but I can’t confirm or deny that from a quick google. Honestly I didn’t even notice until I started a large file transfer.

I'm pretty sure ATA/133 was a custom speed by Maxtor that needed to be licensed for use elsewhere, and I don't think any G4 Macs ever shipped with 133.

It's probably 100.
 
I'm pretty sure ATA/133 was a custom speed by Maxtor that needed to be licensed for use elsewhere, and I don't think any G4 Macs ever shipped with 133.

It's probably 100.
No 133 was definitely standard. All MDDs were ATA133, maybe the later QS2002 G4s but I’m not sure.
Some of the G4s had a slower ATA for the optical drive channel though.
Most of the ATA PCI cards we can get for PPC macs are also 133. I’ve got 2 of those.
 
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How did you mount the hard drive? I imagine the area above the optical drive has more than enough space, but it doesn't seem to have anything to fasten it to. The other challenge is finding a PATA cable with the slave connector 'above' the master in relation to the connector orientation.
 
I've had 14 ATA drives connected to a G5 at the same time before :)

As said, just run a standard master/slave IDE ribbon cable up to the ODD bay. If you want it to be neat and tidy, you could probably find one from a Mac Pro 1,1-3,1 on Ebay(those used ATAPI/ATA optical drives, but most of us still using those computers use SATA ODDs) that would fit nicely and be about the right length. Molex splitters are a dime a dozen.

If you're not moving the computer around, you can lay the drive on top of the ODD without too much worry. Perhaps one could even use magnets to hold it in place :)
 
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Perhaps one could even use magnets to hold it in place :)

I’m so happy you mentioned this. I always use the strongest neodymium magnets I can find to affix my hard drives. It’s a convient solution- no pesky screws or sticky residue. Too bad it doesn’t work with SSDs though...

Someone should invent an electromagnetic panel that attaches to the case internally, powered by the internal power supply, so you can easily swap in and out hard drives. Maybe I’ll just repurpose one of those 1200lb commercial magnetic door locks from work.

:) :D ;)
 
How did you mount the hard drive? I imagine the area above the optical drive has more than enough space, but it doesn't seem to have anything to fasten it to. The other challenge is finding a PATA cable with the slave connector 'above' the master in relation to the connector orientation.
What everyone else said. No, not magnets 😂

I just stuck mine on top of the optical drive. Not fastened to anything. It’s not going anywhere.
 
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If you’re serious about securing the drive to something, I’ve used Velcro tabs to quickly adhere drives to spaces they’re not designed to be in (ie: atop drive bays, on end vertically in a case, stacked on top of each other, etc.). Works pretty well & is reversible if desired. Be sure to Buy quality Velcro tabs with a super sticky adhesive side.

Cheap tabs fail & just create a mess - not worth ones time.
 
Just to clarify the magnets comment-I did not actually mean that seriously.

Probably 5 or 6 years ago, we had a regular here(RIP) who had a somewhat hacked together MDD with a lot of...questionable...upgrades. Until the Mac Pro came along, the MDD was the go-to box for a person wanting factory support for a lot of discrete hard drives. It has 4 IDE HDD bays, plus two optical bays so it's possible to put 6 HDDs in it(of course, these days, you can do a LOT better with SATA in a G5-your boot drive must be APM, which limits you to 1.9tb, but you can format a second drive as GUID and go as big as you want). There also comes a point with PPC Macs where you should seriously start looking at an Xserve RAID, which is often available with 14x 500gb drives, and initialized as two separate RAID 5s gives you I think 6gb of storage space(I have two, but have have yet to initialize either of them-I don't like the noise or amount of power). They are as fast as you can expect from ATA in RAID 5 given that they communicate with your computer via Fiberchannel, but I digress.

In any case, this particular guy decided that the built-in HDD bays in an MDD weren't enough, and wanted to fit I think two extra HDDs in an MDD case. He posted on here asking about using magnets to secure extra drives in the case. We all told him it was a horrible idea, although I don't know if he ever actually did it(knowing how he operated, he probably would have done it anyway given how bad of an idea we told him it was). That became a bit of a running joke for a while.

On a more serious note, this isn't DIRECTLY applicable, bit when I first set up my Mac Pro 1,1 at work back in 2015, I put a 256gb SSD in it as the boot drive. The "classic"(aka "chessegrater") Mac Pro has its SATA ports directly at the top of the LoBo, and is designed such that hard drives slide attach to sleds that slot into the case, line up correctly with the LoBo, and then are locked in place when the side panel is locked. The sleds are designed for 3.5" drives, and if you look at a 3.5" SATA drive you'll find that the SATA port is not perfectly centered on it. All common SATA SSDs are 2.5". The Mac Pro 4,1/5,1 offered SSDs from the factory, and there was a factory "adapter" sled designed to hold them. Unfortunately, although they look similar, those are just different enough to not fit the 1,1-3,1. I was too cheap at the time to buy one of the aftermarket 1,1 SSD mounting solutions, and since SSDs are small and light, I just shoved it into the SATA port and used a piece of the thick foam 3M double sided tape to secure it in place.

If I wanted to secure a hard drive on top of the ODD in a G5, I'd be inclined to try just that. The 3M foam tape is tough stuff, and I suspect a strip down each "rail" of the drive would hold it fine. Of course it would be a pain to remove, but should come off. Just be sure you remove the ODD first and clean off the ~15 years of accumulated dust. With as much air as the G5 cases move through them, there's generally a lot of dust all over the place.
 
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The black 3M foam tape is indeed an outrageously clingy high quality foam tape. I used it to temporarily re-adhere a piece of car door stripping who’s mounts had broken off. This stuff’s bond is so strong & the tape so discreet (in this application) that I’ve just left it there, my temp in-a-pinch-fix turning somewhat permanent. At this point the bond is so tight it’ll take finish with it if I just try to yank it off I think.

Fantastic product but holy heck, I wouldn’t want to have to mess with it. I agree having to remove it would be a big pita within the tight Confines of a computer case.
 
In any case, this particular guy decided that the built-in HDD bays in an MDD weren't enough, and wanted to fit I think two extra HDDs in an MDD case. He posted on here asking about using magnets to secure extra drives in the case. We all told him it was a horrible idea, although I don't know if he ever actually did it(knowing how he operated, he probably would have done it anyway given how bad of an idea we told him it was). That became a bit of a running joke for a while.

Gotcha. ;)

Would you happen to have a link to this particular thread?

I for one petition to resurrect this running gag once more.
 
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Gotcha. ;)

Would you happen to have a link to this particular thread?

I for one petition to resurrect this running gag once more.

Unfortunately, the search function seems to only stretch back to 2015. I was searching for another ancient thread from a different poster a bit earlier.

Doubly unfortunately, this is the oldest thread I can find that was started by that particular member. It was an eerily prophetic thread...

 
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Gotcha. ;)

Would you happen to have a link to this particular thread?

I for one petition to resurrect this running gag once more.
Unfortunately, the search function seems to only stretch back to 2015. I was searching for another ancient thread from a different poster a bit earlier.

Doubly unfortunately, this is the oldest thread I can find that was started by that particular member. It was an eerily prophetic thread...

I just did a search for 'magnets'. Pulled all the way back to 2009. :)

 
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No 133 was definitely standard.

Yes.

All MDDs were ATA133, maybe the later QS2002 G4s but I’m not sure.
Some of the G4s had a slower ATA for the optical drive channel though.

But this is incorrect. My MDD has ATA-100, ATA-66, and ATA-33. It is printed on the motherboard near each ATA connector.

Also:
"—Support for up to four internal ATA drives (two Ultra ATA/100 and two Ultra ATA/66)"
 
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