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Brought my 2017 MBP 15” for a stuck key and a popping sound coming from inside when the CPU warmed up.

Some online research indicated a spectrum of possibilities, from a display panel glue issue to an expanding battery.

Some indicated that an expanding battery might be covered by Apple, even out of warranty. I verified the keyboard was definitely covered under their replacement program.

The Genius Bar guy I got was nice enough, but a combination of a bit clueless and slightly salesman-y.

He vaguely indicated that if the battery was indeed expanding, I‘d need to bring in a receipt. He also said it was not a serial number covered by a battery replacement program. This all seemed odd. I figured it either was covered or it wasn’t, regardless of the receipt? My wife bought it for me in 2017 and she quite possibly got it from a 3rd party seller, but it was brand new and I registered it the day I got it with no issues.

Anyway, he said “The good thing is, if you get it repaired, the repair covers everything including the keyboard.”

Umm, ok? The keyboard repair is supposed to be free. Whatever.

“Ok” I asked, “So what would be the range of the repair cost?”

”It's a fixed price. $658 plus tax.” (or something around that)

”Or“ he said, “We could check out your machine and see if it’s eligible for trade in.”

He checked and quoted me $900 towards a new computer. He noted that no new models were coming any time soon.

Then he offered Apple Credit, for 24 months no interest. With the trade in, a new 16” i9 1TB would cost around $75/month for 2 years.

I thought it over, and even though the trade in price kinda sucked, I could walk out with a new machine instead of paying $700 and waiting for a 2 week repair.

Despite my skepticism about why a battery replacement and free keyboard replacement should cost $700, I was tired of being there and was itching to leave, so I agreed to the trade in and a new machine on Apple Credit.

That's when he summoned a sales associate because he “hadn't rung up a trade in“ in quite some time.

We prepped my old computer by turning off location services and signing out of iCloud. Then I signed her sales agreement saying I was trading it in with no way to get it back. Then she had me apply for the credit, which I got instantly. Then we wiped my old computer and she brought out the new one and rang me up.

When she showed me the payment agreement, it was double the price the other guy had calculated. Turns out there is no 24 month installment plan. Only 12.

The Genius was apologetic, but it was clear I couldn’t get my old computer back and start over. So I sucked it up and walked out with the new 16”.

Later tonight, I discovered that the Apple pundits are predicting new Silicon based machines before the end of the year!

I didn’t do any research on new models before I went to the appointment because I had no idea I'd be paying $700 for a new battery, let alone getting a new machine.

The whole thing has left an odd taste in my mouth. I won’t say I was explicitly manipulated or lied to, but I do feel like I was a bit railroaded.

Has anyone else experienced anything like this when bringing in a repair and walking out with a new computer instead?
 
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Probably not steamrolled but maybe a little bit of "bait and switch" by the sales people at the store.

Anyway, you have a brand new 16" i9 powerhouse to play with. Not a bad deal and you saved a big repair bill and 2 weeks of no computer. Enjoy your new machine and don't worry about the coming Apple silicon machines. Yours is going to be supported for at least the next 5 years. :)
 
Yeah - that "Genius" is a genius in Apple's eyes as they definitely could have evaluated it as a keyboard issue rather than a battery issue. Evaluating it as a keyboard issue would have resulted in a new topcase (still a 2 week wait) at no cost to you, the topcase includes the kyeboard, battery and trackpad.

Silicon based machines
To be fair, most computers (if not all still) are silicon-based.
 
you definitely got steamrolled. 900 bucks for a 2017 15inch is laughable.
They aren't worth much more than that.

However, it seems like the keyboard replacement should have been done for free and OP would haven't gotten a battery along with it...

Unless they don't do it if the battery is already bad?
 
They aren't worth much more than that.

However, it seems like the keyboard replacement should have been done for free and OP would haven't gotten a battery along with it...

Unless they don't do it if the battery is already bad?
just sold my 2016 mbp 15inch for 1500. so yeah they do worth more than 900.
 
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I thought it was customary for Apple to request that all other faults are repaired first before any 'replacement program' parts are replaced and they will charge you for the repairs before they carry out any 'replacement program' parts.

I used to work for a company that did warranty repairs for Packard Bell and back then it was customary for a customer to send in their machine that had prior existing faults un-related to the warranty part being replaced. The under warranty item would be replaced and the machine sent back working but then a few days later customer support would get a complaint that the machine is not working and it's the companies fault because something must have got damaged during the warranty repair. What would happen is that the machines prior faults would stop it from working, a fault that had nothing to do with the warranty repair but the customer would complain that it was and that it was the companies responsibility to fix it and if they didn't they would complain to a trading standards authourity. Thus we would end up having to do a complete refurbish of the machine with brand new parts, basically getting a brand new computer free of charge, all because the company didn't want to have a PR nightmare with the customer.

I can only assume this kind of scenerio has happened to Apple hence why the persist that any faults or quality issues are fixed and paid for first before any 'replacement program' parts are changed.
 
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just sold my 2016 mbp 15inch for 1500. so yeah they do worth more than 900.

keep in mind he brought it in for repair.. so it's not like it was in pristine condition and he could sell it as is for full price. and he avoided a $700 repair bill. but yep, you dont get top dollar from an apple trade in. but you dont have the hassle of selling it yourself. especially a machine that needs a repair.

did he get steamrolled? its hard to really say, I would have asked more questions on the keyboard replacement etc.
 
Brought my 2017 MBP 15” for a stuck key and a popping sound coming from inside when the CPU warmed up.

Some online research indicated a spectrum of possibilities, from a display panel glue issue to an expanding battery.

Some indicated that an expanding battery might be covered by Apple, even out of warranty. I verified the keyboard was definitely covered under their replacement program.

The Genius Bar guy I got was nice enough, but a combination of a bit clueless and slightly salesman-y.

He vaguely indicated that if the battery was indeed expanding, I‘d need to bring in a receipt. He also said it was not a serial number covered by a battery replacement program. This all seemed odd. I figured it either was covered or it wasn’t, regardless of the receipt? My wife bought it for me in 2017 and she quite possibly got it from a 3rd party seller, but it was brand new and I registered it the day I got it with no issues.

Anyway, he said “The good thing is, if you get it repaired, the repair covers everything including the keyboard.”

Umm, ok? The keyboard repair is supposed to be free. Whatever.

“Ok” I asked, “So what would be the range of the repair cost?”

”It's a fixed price. $658 plus tax.” (or something around that)

”Or“ he said, “We could check out your machine and see if it’s eligible for trade in.”

He checked and quoted me $900 towards a new computer. He noted that no new models were coming any time soon.

Then he offered Apple Credit, for 24 months no interest. With the trade in, a new 16” i9 1TB would cost around $75/month for 2 years.

I thought it over, and even though the trade in price kinda sucked, I could walk out with a new machine instead of paying $700 and waiting for a 2 week repair.

Despite my skepticism about why a battery replacement and free keyboard replacement should cost $700, I was tired of being there and was itching to leave, so I agreed to the trade in and a new machine on Apple Credit.

That's when he summoned a sales associate because he “hadn't rung up a trade in“ in quite some time.

We prepped my old computer by turning off location services and signing out of iCloud. Then I signed her sales agreement saying I was trading it in with no way to get it back. Then she had me apply for the credit, which I got instantly. Then we wiped my old computer and she brought out the new one and rang me up.

When she showed me the payment agreement, it was double the price the other guy had calculated. Turns out there is no 24 month installment plan. Only 12.

The Genius was apologetic, but it was clear I couldn’t get my old computer back and start over. So I sucked it up and walked out with the new 16”.

Later tonight, I discovered that the Apple pundits are predicting new Silicon based machines before the end of the year!

I didn’t do any research on new models before I went to the appointment because I had no idea I'd be paying $700 for a new battery, let alone getting a new machine.

The whole thing has left an odd taste in my mouth. I won’t say I was explicitly manipulated or lied to, but I do feel like I was a bit railroaded.

Has anyone else experienced anything like this when bringing in a repair and walking out with a new computer instead?
Which location?
 
That's a lot of money for a 2016 model. Was it the top of the range model? or was you lucky in getting a very gullible buyer?
top of range and somewhat gullible lol, it also has a new top case replacement courtesy of apple keyboard replacement program, which someone the OP should've argued for. you be surprised how much more you can get if you just left the sticker apple put on the touch bar.
 
I can only assume this kind of scenerio has happened to Apple hence why the persist that any faults or quality issues are fixed and paid for first before any 'replacement program' parts are changed.
Except that in this case the keyboard can't be replaced without replacing the battery, and the battery can't be replaced (by Apple) without replacing the keyboard. As I noted - the topcase, keyboard, battery and trackpad are a single assembly for the purposes of repair at an Apple store.

So if a customer comes in and complains about a sticking key and the system is still covered by the repair program, the answer from the employee should be "you're getting a new topcase which includes these parts". If the customer then exclaims joy because the battery was also giving fits, the employee can't turn around and refuse the repair because of the existing battery issue and force the customer to pay for the battery repair before getting the new keyboard.

I have to wonder if the issue at hand is that the issues were presented in the wrong order.
 
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top of range and somewhat gullible lol, it also has a new top case replacement courtesy of apple keyboard replacement program, which someone the OP should've argued for. you be surprised how much more you can get if you just left the sticker apple put on the touch bar.

facepalms. so earlier in your price comparison to what the OP got for his trade in versus what you got for you 2016 was comparing apples to oranges. (could not resist). willing to bet the OP's was not top of the range. and it had a defect, not a new keyboard.
 
facepalms. so earlier in your price comparison to what the OP got for his trade in versus what you got for you 2016 was comparing apples to oranges. (could not resist). willing to bet the OP's was not top of the range. and it had a defect, not a new keyboard.
he would've got new keyboard if he argued for it.
 
Except that in this case the keyboard can't be replaced without replacing the battery, and the battery can't be replaced (by Apple) without replacing the keyboard. As I noted - the topcase, keyboard, battery and trackpad are a single assembly for the purposes of repair at an Apple store.

So if a customer comes in and complains about a sticking key and the system is still covered by the repair program, the answer from the employee should be "you're getting a new topcase which includes these parts". If the customer then exclaims joy because the battery was also giving fits, the employee can't turn around and refuse the repair because of the existing battery issue and force the customer to pay for the battery repair before getting the new keyboard.

I have to wonder if the issue at hand is that the issues were presented in the wrong order.

I believe this is not how Apple does things. Even if the battery has to be replaced as part of the keyboard 'replacement program', if the battery is faulty beforehand, Apple will get you to pay for a new battery before they undertake the keyboard replacement.
 
I believe this is not how Apple does things. Even if the battery has to be replaced as part of the keyboard 'replacement program', if the battery is faulty beforehand, Apple will get you to pay for a new battery before they undertake the keyboard replacement.
Right. It all comes down to what is faulty (and therefore WHY the machine is being taken apart)

Case 1: Battery failing
  • Apple does not claim responsibility
  • Customer is charged for battery replacement
Case 2: Keyboard failing
  • Apple claims responsibility under the Keyboard Replacement Program
  • Customer is not charged for the battery replacement

There is no case 3. If you have a battery issue AND a keyboard issue, tell support you have the keyboard issue.
 
he would've got new keyboard if he argued for it.

I have no doubt YOU could have... not so sure the OP was properly prepared to argue the case. It is disappointing how even Apple is often about what sales representative you talk to. I know if I don't get an answer I like, ask someone else.
 
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Which location?
Michigan Ave.

I just got off the phone with the manager, armed with the info that my concerns about the battery would have been addressed with the free keyboard repair, and that I wouldn’t really have been too concerned had the loan term been 24 months as described.

The manager was very nice and totally understanding. He agreed to return the new 16”, process the free repair, and let me keep the 16” as a loaner until the repair comes back.

As a freeelancer in a pandemic, a new computer was not my first choice when I went in yesterday. But a $700 repair wasn’t either. A 24 month $75 payment for a brand new computer was enticing. But a $150 monthly payment for a soon to be replaced model, vs a totally free repair makes no sense.
 
I have no doubt YOU could have... not so sure the OP was properly prepared to argue the case. It is disappointing how even Apple is often about what sales representative you talk to. I know if I don't get an answer I like, ask someone else.
Yeah, I don't think any of us go in expecting to face that.
 
Except that in this case the keyboard can't be replaced without replacing the battery, and the battery can't be replaced (by Apple) without replacing the keyboard. As I noted - the topcase, keyboard, battery and trackpad are a single assembly for the purposes of repair at an Apple store.

So if a customer comes in and complains about a sticking key and the system is still covered by the repair program, the answer from the employee should be "you're getting a new topcase which includes these parts". If the customer then exclaims joy because the battery was also giving fits, the employee can't turn around and refuse the repair because of the existing battery issue and force the customer to pay for the battery repair before getting the new keyboard.

I have to wonder if the issue at hand is that the issues were presented in the wrong order.
I actually made the Genius Bar appointment for the keyboard and mentioned the battery as an aside. The genius sort of reverse engineered the complaint to feature the battery repair, thus his justification for the $700 price.
 
Only somewhat related to the OP, but I was the target of an attempted railroading yesterday on Apple Support chat.

We have an Apple Watch Series 1 that stopped working. I went through the standard steps to troubleshoot. The Apple rep confirmed that it is a hardware issue.

The price I was quoted to have this watch mailed to Apple and repaired: $205.95 (service fee) plus $14.42 (tax). So $220.37 USD total to repair a watch that can't even run WatchOS 7! 😵

For only $60 more I can buy a brand new Apple Watch SE. Needless to say, I declined the support offer.

I hate to accuse Apple of ripping off customers, but it seems that they certainly do with repairs.
 
Only somewhat related to the OP, but I was the target of an attempted railroading yesterday on Apple Support chat.

We have an Apple Watch Series 1 that stopped working. I went through the standard steps to troubleshoot. The Apple rep confirmed that it is a hardware issue.

The price I was quoted to have this watch mailed to Apple and repaired: $205.95 (service fee) plus $14.42 (tax). So $220.37 USD total to repair a watch that can't even run WatchOS 7! 😵

For only $60 more I can buy a brand new Apple Watch SE. Needless to say, I declined the support offer.

I hate to accuse Apple of ripping off customers, but it seems that they certainly do with repairs.
I don't know if that's a ripoff or not. The premium for fixing mobile devices is high. An Apple Watch S1 is probably disposable at this point.
 
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