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HD-DVD vs. Blu-ray: And the Winner is...

LethalWolfe

LethalWolfe

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... neither?

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The high-resolution DVD format war continues to rage unabated with plenty of vitriol spewing from the lips of proponents and detractors on both sides. Unresolved, the outcome will likely benefit neither player as consumers, paralyzed by the competing formats, will simply opt out of the technology altogether. This is what happened a few years ago in the case of DVD-Audio vs. Super Audio CD, and it looks like we’re setting up for a similar debacle in coming months.
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Holographic storage looks very promising for a variety of applications. Cheap costing media, huge capacity, and killer r/w speed. I think I remember reading that the first drives would be in the 2-3 grand range. But like the article says after a few years the prices will drop and when it enters the consumer market watch out.


Lethal
 
LethalWolfe said:
... neither?

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Holographic storage looks very promising for a variety of applications. Cheap costing media, huge capacity, and killer r/w speed. I think I remember reading that the first drives would be in the 2-3 grand range. But like the article says after a few years the prices will drop and when it enters the consumer market watch out.


Lethal
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it would be amazing if they somehow implimented those holographic disks into usable HDs...3.9TB!!!!!!! I would like to meet a man who could fill those disks up with home movies ;)
 
HVD (Holographic Versatile Disks) can hold close to 500GB of r/w data. From what I have read earlier this year. Is the future yes. :)

UHD (Ultra High Definition) is the future to HD.

If you put a UHD movie on HVD it will fit perfectly. :eek: ;) :)
 
I think your reference article is total crap. I don't know who's going to win the HD disc war, but consumers are NOT going to opt out. To compare this shift with DVD-Audio and Super Audio is the most ridiculous thing that I've ever heard! Nobody WANTED DVD-Audio! And, it wasn't nearly as publicized as HD video has been. The market will choose a winner. Currently I'm in the Sony camp because of PS3 (That market alone gives Sony an automatic edge). Toshiba's disc's might be better, but with a guaranteed install base like PS3, they've got a hell of a fight on their hands.

-Hasta
 
i don't think the situation between blu-ray and HD-DVD compare well at all with the SACD and A-DVD issue. in music, the public is not buying higher quality systems, they're buying lower quality systems for their portability. there just isn't really the demand out there for high definition audio. but with HD video, the HD television market seems to have a little bit behind it, and those people who purchased a television because it was "HD" will want to be able to actually utilize it with some new HD movie format, so there will be enough demand for the market to decide the format that just wasn't there for audio.

HVD seems pretty neat though. i found a CNet article dated february, and i'm wondering why i haven't heard more about this. (is it actually working? is the price for it possibly coming down?)
 
ifjake said:
i don't think the situation between blu-ray and HD-DVD compare well at all with the SACD and A-DVD issue. in music, the public is not buying higher quality systems, they're buying lower quality systems for their portability. there just isn't really the demand out there for high definition audio. but with HD video, the HD television market seems to have a little bit behind it, and those people who purchased a television because it was "HD" will want to be able to actually utilize it with some new HD movie format, so there will be enough demand for the market to decide the format that just wasn't there for audio.

HVD seems pretty neat though. i found a CNet article dated february, and i'm wondering why i haven't heard more about this. (is it actually working? is the price for it possibly coming down?)
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Problem with the HD Audio was that many people did not have or need a 5.1/6.1/7.1 Music listening experience. Since the focus on portable players, as mentioned. That was the fall of HD Audio.

HVD, has a lot of red tape to cut through before it makes it way to the market. :(
 
Just like all other media wars, the winner will be decided by the porn producers. Whichever format the porn production companies choose will win; just like VHS beat betamax despite beta being better pretty much all around except for cost of production.

I think I remember reading that HD-DVD was cheaper to manufacture, due to being able to upgrade DVD pressing facilities, whereas BluRay needs all new equipment, which is why the major porn distributers have already begun to lean towards HD-DVD.

That and the name recognition make me think that it will eventually overcome any advantage that BluRay has with technology and PS3 support. THe bummer is that Sony tends to take a LONG time to give up on their proprietary formats, and they may well refuse to release HD-DVDs for a very long time... :(
 
mrgreen4242 said:
Just like all other media wars, the winner will be decided by the porn producers. Whichever format the porn production companies choose will win; just like VHS beat betamax despite beta being better pretty much all around except for cost of production.
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Although historically accurate, I'm not sure that this may be the case this time around. Models of distribution have changed and are continuing to change a great deal since the prevalence of broadband.

When VHS & Betamax were first released, they were also used primarily as a home-recording/time-shifting technology. You couldn't buy movies, the studios weren't behind that until much later in the game. This time, the studios are actively looking to push product on these formats from the word go.

And yes, I think many consumers WILL opt out until the dust settles. The majority of consumers are not that technically-inclined and just because one type of disc is used in the PS3 will mean nothing — besides, Sony doesn't exactly have a great track record with their formats.

My guess is that the one to take off will be the one that allows easy home-recording, is adopted by the bulk of computer manufacturers, and is the first one to have major Hollywood titles on the shelves... Star Wars etc.
 
Barham said:
I think your reference article is total crap. I don't know who's going to win the HD disc war, but consumers are NOT going to opt out. To compare this shift with DVD-Audio and Super Audio is the most ridiculous thing that I've ever heard! Nobody WANTED DVD-Audio! And, it wasn't nearly as publicized as HD video has been. The market will choose a winner. Currently I'm in the Sony camp because of PS3 (That market alone gives Sony an automatic edge). Toshiba's disc's might be better, but with a guaranteed install base like PS3, they've got a hell of a fight on their hands.

-Hasta
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If you think that article is crap I can find a bunch more saying that the format war is going to discourage consumers at large from buying in and could mean both formats fall flat.

You have two incompatible formats that are more expensive than current DVD's w/titles only available on one of the two formats. Does that sound like a good situation to you? And the masses aren't really asking for HD either. The adaption rate of HDTVs and of just moving over to digital b'casting is s-l-o-w. Of course a segment of the population will buy into the formats but unless it hits the mainstream it's just gonna be another LaserDisc or D-VHS.


Lethal
 
I think IF somehow both mediums survive, the only person who will win are those that take a neutral stance, manufacturers who take sides will just be stuck in an endless tug-of-war for superiority.

The only Major name manufacturer I know of that's planning to make a BLU-RAY & HD-DVD compatible player is Samsung. Though there is some difficulty in squeezing so many lasers into a relatively small space.
 
The future will be Blu-Ray. It might not be the future of next year, but eventually it will happen. Too bad it costs so much...
 
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