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Help: Cannot boot from leopard disc anymore, everything else fine

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nafai23

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I was working on an ibook and messing with it in firewire mode and was going to install leopard on it that way.

I tried to restart my machine and boot leopard both by pushing C and by running the installer.
I get the "You need to hold the power button panic message" everytime I do this. I unplugged external devices and tried this also and it has the same problem.
I cannot boot from the dvd anymore. If I eject the disc, osx loads normally.

Any ideas what I can do?
 
nafai23 said:
I was working on an ibook and messing with it in firewire mode and was going to install leopard on it that way.

I tried to restart my machine and boot leopard both by pushing C and by running the installer.
I get the "You need to hold the power button panic message" everytime I do this. I unplugged external devices and tried this also and it has the same problem.
I cannot boot from the dvd anymore. If I eject the disc, osx loads normally.

Any ideas what I can do?
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You are a bit confusing in your message.

The message you are getting indicates a kernel panic.

You mentioned firewire target mode. I assume you are connecting your ibook to another mac. If you are not connecting to another mac, firewire target disk mode won't do anything for you.

Are you loading the installer DVD on the ibook and then restarting holding down the "C" key? It is not necessary. You can boot normally. Start the installer and it will reboot by itself.

However, does your iBook support Leopard? Is it a G4 or G3 processor and what speed (in MHZ)? If it doesn't meet the minimum requirement for Leopard, you will not be able to install it and this may be why you are getting the kernel panics.

We need more info before we can help you.
 
i just mentioned what it was doing when it happened...

Right now with nothing plugged in my mac pro will not boot from the leopard cd as I described.

Any suggestions would be great!
 
Yeah...that's

That's cause you're doing it wrong.

Restart the iBook in transdisk mode. Pop the Leopard CD in the Macbook Pro and run the installer. When it lets you pick a disk to install to, choose the iBook.

Pretty simple.

You sound like you're trying to start the iBook up with a Leopard disk, which won't work.
 
""You sound like you're trying to start the iBook up with a Leopard disk, which won't work.""

I did that on accident. I have tried it that way but right now I am not even dealing with the ibook. Forget I ever mentioned it.


Right now I have a mac pro that will not boot from the OSX cd but will boot fine from the HD.
That is my problem.

I held option on start up and got 3 options.. (i run bootcamp with no problems) MacHD windowsHD and then my cd drive which is called osx install.....OSX leopard disk was in the drive.....
I clicked on the cd and crashed after a a min or so
 
here is the kernel panic log when it reboots into OSX

Sat May 17 14:13:09 2008
panic(cpu 1 caller 0x001A7BED): Kernel trap at 0x894ec373, type 14=page fault, registers:
CR0: 0x8001003b, CR2: 0x00000018, CR3: 0x00df8000, CR4: 0x00000660
EAX: 0x00000000, EBX: 0x00000000, ECX: 0x00000000, EDX: 0x0a5a1004
CR2: 0x00000018, EBP: 0x817c3bc8, ESI: 0x0a4c5c00, EDI: 0x0a4c5c00
EFL: 0x00010246, EIP: 0x894ec373, CS: 0x00000008, DS: 0x0a3c0010
Error code: 0x00000000

Backtrace, Format - Frame : Return Address (4 potential args on stack)
0x817c39d8 : 0x12b0e1 (0x4555b4 0x817c3a0c 0x133238 0x0)
0x817c3a28 : 0x1a7bed (0x45e568 0x894ec373 0xe 0x45dd24)
0x817c3b08 : 0x19e517 (0x817c3b20 0xa83c980 0x817c3bc8 0x894ec373)
0x817c3b18 : 0x894ec373 (0xe 0x48 0x10 0x10)
0x817c3bc8 : 0x894db540 (0x0 0xa83c980 0xa4c5c00 0x1)
0x817c3c08 : 0x78d45139 (0xa4c5c00 0x1 0x0 0x13)
0x817c3c68 : 0x78d3e940 (0xa4c5c00 0x2407 0x817c3d2c 0xa4c5c00)
0x817c3c98 : 0x40c515 (0xa4c5c00 0xacd8130 0xacd8130 0x0)
0x817c3ce8 : 0x437535 (0xa4c5c00 0xacd8130 0xacd8130 0x0)
0x817c3d48 : 0x18c8aa (0xa4c5c00 0xacd8130 0x0 0x0)
0x817c3db8 : 0x12d165 (0xa525c78 0xaa76b90 0x817c3df8 0x11ee04)
0x817c3df8 : 0x126247 (0xa525c00 0xa2f9254 0xaad84b0 0x0)
0x817c3f08 : 0x196afc (0x817c3f44 0x0 0x0 0x0)
0x817c3fc8 : 0x19eb34 (0xab382a0 0x0 0x1a10b5 0xa63f208)
No mapping exists for frame pointer
Backtrace terminated-invalid frame pointer 0xbffff378
Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
com.apple.NVDAResman(5.1.6)@0x894d8000->0x89704fff
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IONDRVSupport(1.5)@0x78cc5000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(2.4)@0x78ac0000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily(1.5)@0x78d36000
com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily(1.5)@0x78d36000->0x78d51fff
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(2.4)@0x78ac0000

BSD process name corresponding to current thread: WindowServer

Mac OS version:
9A581

Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 9.0.0: Tue Oct 9 21:35:55 PDT 2007; root:xnu-1228~1/RELEASE_I386
System model name: MacPro1,1 (Mac-F4208DC8)
 
You may have a corrupted PRAM or hardware cache on the Mac Pro.

Try reseting the PRAM and then do a Safe Boot. When the Safe Boot completes, insert the installer DVD and reboot. Upon reboot, hold down the option key and try booting from the installer DVD again. See if you get another kernel panic.
 
Thanks for the suggestion.

I tried exactly that and got the same kernel panic. I also tried another disc from a friend and got the same kernel panic.

Moments before the panic happens I can hear my Windows boot camp drive being accessed(it is a louder raptor drive)...not sure why that would be access trying to boot from the cd. Both HD's boot flawlessly in to there operating systems.


Ridiculous........ I am a new switcher from being a power user and system builder on the PC.
Viruses aside, I have spent just as much time troubleshooting this system when going beyond basic uses as I did with my vista machine. I love OSX but this is a little silly.


Can anyone help me with this or do I have to reinstall osx? (oh wait....... I though you never had to do that like on windows? :) )
 
For good measure I just unplugged everything from the system except a keyboard.
I pulled all hard drives except the boot drive also.

Same kernel panic...when booting from disk.

I cannot even reinstall the os if I wanted to.

What could possibly be going on here?

I should add that the cd drive works fine in OSX and I have even burned a dual layer disc this morning with it.
 
nafai23 said:
For good measure I just unplugged everything from the system except a keyboard.
I pulled all hard drives except the boot drive also.

Same kernel panic...when booting from disk.

I cannot even reinstall the os if I wanted to.

What could possibly be going on here?

I should add that the cd drive works fine in OSX and I have even burned a dual layer disc this morning with it.
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Again either you made a typo or you are contradicting yourself. "Same kernel panic...when booting from disk." Do you mean booting from the DVD or disk drive (not the optical)?

From your panic (shortened for brevity):

nafai23 said:
here is the kernel panic log when it reboots into OSX

Sat May 17 14:13:09 2008
panic(cpu 1 caller 0x001A7BED): Kernel trap at 0x894ec373, type 14=page fault, registers:
.
.
.
Backtrace, Format - Frame : Return Address (4 potential args on stack)
.
.
.
No mapping exists for frame pointer
Backtrace terminated-invalid frame pointer 0xbffff378
Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
com.apple.NVDAResman(5.1.6)@0x894d8000->0x89704fff
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IONDRVSupport(1.5)@0x78cc5000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(2.4)@0x78ac0000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily(1.5)@0x78d36000
com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily(1.5)@0x78d36000->0x78d51fff
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(2.4)@0x78ac0000
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You may have some bad memory. Booting from the DVD may load into a different area of your RAM than booting from your hard drive. The "Kernel trap...type 14=page fault..." indicates this.

You may want to remove some memory or swap it around to see if this is causing your panic.
 
Sorry I meant disc(dvd) not disk....

I ran memtestosx all night and pulled the ram out two at a time and rebooted...
Passed all tests.
same kernel panic.....


Man this is not what I signed up for when I switched to a mac.....

I am thinking the logic board is bad...

One more question..I upgraded to an 8800gt which works fine. Any chance of that being a problem?
 
nafai23 said:
Man this is not what I signed up for when I switched to a mac.....
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Man I am tired of hearing this. I guess it's great that the vast majority of people have zero problems, but someone always will! Do people who switch car companies complain the same way?
 
My guess and the reason

My guess is that your DVD disk drive is bad.

Nothing you have told this thread contradicts this assumption and if the disk fails to deliver boot blocks to the OS, you would have a reasonable explanation for what you have described here.
 
i wish that was the case.

i tried a spare pioneer 111d drive i had here from my pc.

it worked great in osx.... but same booting problem from the osx disc.



not the drive
 
nafai23 said:
Sorry I meant disc(dvd) not disk....

I ran memtestosx all night and pulled the ram out two at a time and rebooted...
Passed all tests.
same kernel panic.....


Man this is not what I signed up for when I switched to a mac.....

I am thinking the logic board is bad...

One more question..I upgraded to an 8800gt which works fine. Any chance of that being a problem?
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Is that a processor upgrade? Can you downgrade?

The only other thing you may or may not have tried is a PMU/SMU/SMC reset (I don't know which mac pro you have so one of these apply).
 
For what it's worth, I'm experiencing exactly the same problem, and...... like you....... the problem started happening AFTER I installed the 8800GT card. I talked to Apple about this for over an hour and they could not come up with a solution, but I failed to mention that I had recently installed the 8800GT (purchased from Apple)

I'm not sure if that is the cause of the problem, but it is starting to smell a little fishy.
 
Ditto. iMac with 8800 here that will do everything fine but boot from the leopard DVD. Must be an issue with the 8800? Are you using a genuine leopard disk, or the disks that came with the desktop?
 
Didn't see you mention it, so make sure you swapped the RAM. If you don't have any spare, pull one or one pair of sticks and see if it will work with the rest (assuming your setup allows). That's a likely cause. And yeah, try swapping the card back if possible, though that'd be less likely.

jW

EDIT: Nevermind, just saw the RAM tests. I guess I'm just echoing the last couple posts then when I say to check the video card.
 
After some more research here's the conclusion. If you have a Mac which has a newer GFX card which is only supported in 10.5.2 (due to the leopard graphics update), you cannot format your Mac with a genuine leopard installation disk, as they are 10.5.0, and as such can't install drivers for your newer gfx card.

Net result for you Mac Pro users who upgraded is that you can't format without putting in your old gfx card. Great customer experience Apple!
 
thanks for the answer...was going crazy, and as it is Labor Day I couldn't call Apple Care...Now my issue is...don't have anything other than the 10.5.0 disc...

shuurajou said:
After some more research here's the conclusion. If you have a Mac which has a newer GFX card which is only supported in 10.5.2 (due to the leopard graphics update), you cannot format your Mac with a genuine leopard installation disk, as they are 10.5.0, and as such can't install drivers for your newer gfx card.

Net result for you Mac Pro users who upgraded is that you can't format without putting in your old gfx card. Great customer experience Apple!
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