Help- freezes after startup

[milocool]

I gave my mom my old mbp (i think it's first generation..)
Osx 10.4.11
1.5 GHz powerpcG4
1.25Gb memory
167 Mhz

she uses it only to type in stuff and check her mails.

lately it started freezing up and spinning the diskdrive on startup etc to the point where it's practically unusable

I made her repair permissions
and then repair disk... and she got the following message

-invalid volume free block count it should be 6004896 instead of 5491082
-Volume header needs minor repair
-The volume macintosh HD needs to be repaired.
-Error: the underlying task reported failure on exit
-1HFS volume checked: volume needs repair

She practically begged me to solve this..
What can i do?
ps. i don't have the original disk anymore to start up from..

 

[justperry]

Do you have another Mac, if so connect it with a firewire cable and start the oldie(MBP) up in Target Disk Mode, then repair the disk from the other Mac.

It might be that the HD is on it's way old though if it's still the original HD.

 

[milocool]

Do you have another Mac, if so connect it with a firewire cable and start the oldie(MBP) up in Target Disk Mode, then repair the disk from the other Mac.

It might be that the HD is on it's way old though if it's still the original HD.

I have another mac yeah, but not a firewire cable and buying one only to try repair that mac seems silly.. Is there no way to try and fix it by itself? Maybe if i dl an osX disc from torrents and start it up from a usb stick?

 

[blueroom]

Sounds like the HDD is failing, this is common for an old laptop.

 

[justperry]

I have another mac yeah, but not a firewire cable and buying one only to try repair that mac seems silly.. Is there no way to try and fix it by itself? Maybe if i dl an osX disc from torrents and start it up from a usb stick?

Monoprice sells them for little, or if you can find a disk then go that way, but the earlier OS X install disks are expensive, or you can go it the ..... way.

 

[milocool]

Sounds like the HDD is failing, this is common for an old laptop.

Monoprice sells them for little, or if you can find a disk then go that way, but the earlier OS X install disks are expensive, or you can go it the ..... way.

I've been reading up and it seems a few people managed to save their HDD with scimilar looking problems... it might be failing though, not sure..

Do you guys think it's worth trying to dl a osX 10.4 install disk and make it startup from a usb driver? If so, what exactly do i need to do?

Thanx for the responses btw

 

[justperry]

I've been reading up and it seems a few people managed to save their HDD with scimilar looking problems... it might be failing though, not sure..

Do you guys think it's worth trying to dl a osX 10.4 install disk and make it startup from a usb driver? If so, what exactly do i need to do?

Thanx for the responses btw

Just days ago I thought all G4's could boot from USB, mine does but most don't.

Is the CD/DVD drive dead, then your options are the Firewire trick like above (repairing the drive) or also with a Firewire Cable and insert the Install disk in the other Mac and get the MBP into Target Disk Mode and then Install an OS on it, or another way is to get the HD out and put it in an external case, then try to repair from the other mac, if it worked put it back, or just install a new copy of OS X on it, if you don't erase it will keep the Users intact.

 

[milocool]

Just days ago I thought all G4's could boot from USB, mine does but most don't.

Is the CD/DVD drive dead, then your options are the Firewire trick like above (repairing the drive) or also with a Firewire Cable and insert the Install disk in the other Mac and get the MBP into Target Disk Mode and then Install an OS on it, or another way is to get the HD out and put it in an external case, then try to repair from the other mac, if it worked put it back, or just install a new copy of OS X on it, if you don't erase it will keep the Users intact.

If i wanted to try the usb method do i simply dl the mac osx and drag it to the usb stick or do i have to put it on the stick in a specific way?

I also still have a (bought) installation disc of mac osX 10.6.3 can i start up from that and restore with that? (the current osx on her mbp is 10.4.11)

ps. when it freezes after starting up it gives a kernel list to send to mac because the osX flaws but it freezes before i can capture the image to post here :s

 

[justperry]

If i wanted to try the usb method do i simply dl the mac osx and drag it to the usb stick or do i have to put it on the stick in a specific way?

I also still have a (bought) installation disc of mac osX 10.6.3 can i start up from that and restore with that? (the current osx on her mbp is 10.4.11)

ps. when it freezes after starting up it gives a kernel list to send to mac because the osX flaws but it freezes before i can capture the image to post here :s

1. As I said before most G4 won't boot from USB, and NO, you can not just copy the Download onto the USB, you need to restore it from Disk Utilities.

2. 10.6.3 will NOT work on that machine, it's a PPC, not an Intel so it won't run.
Your Maximum OS on this machine is 10.5.8 Leopard, these disc's are expensive on Ebay.

3. The only way to get that Kernel Panic report from the MBP is to connect it to the other Mac and use Target Disk Mode with a FireWire Cable to get it of the MBP.

 

[milocool]

Is the CD/DVD drive dead, then your options are the Firewire trick like above (repairing the drive) or also with a Firewire Cable and insert the Install disk in the other Mac and get the MBP into Target Disk Mode and then Install an OS on it, or another way is to get the HD out and put it in an external case, then try to repair from the other mac, if it worked put it back, or just install a new copy of OS X on it, if you don't erase it will keep the Users intact.

1. As I said before most G4 won't boot from USB, and NO, you can not just copy the Download onto the USB, you need to restore it from Disk Utilities.

Your Maximum OS on this machine is 10.5.8 Leopard, these disc's are expensive on Ebay.

3. The only way to get that Kernel Panic report from the MBP is to connect it to the other Mac and use Target Disk Mode with a FireWire Cable to get it of the MBP.

Update:
I went and bought a firewire cable, backed up her data and ran disk utility, after running the disk seems fine, so it seems like it's no hardware problem.

She can start it up again and it runs without freezing (still gives the kernel trap warning) (i can show that in a next post if needed)
So i guess the best thing would be to reinstall osX but i don't have the disc anymore..

Can i dl the correct disk (from torrent) to my other mac and then install it via firewire in some way? (the file is over 5gig, so impossible to burn on a dvd :s
Also, if this works would it be better to dl the 10.5.8 version and install that or stick with 10.4.11?

 

[justperry]

Update:
I went and bought a firewire cable, backed up her data and ran disk utility, after running the disk seems fine, so it seems like it's no hardware problem.

She can start it up again and it runs without freezing (still gives the kernel trap warning) (i can show that in a next post if needed)
So i guess the best thing would be to reinstall osX but i don't have the disc anymore..

Can i dl the correct disk (from torrent) to my other mac and then install it via firewire in some way? (the file is over 5gig, so impossible to burn on a dvd :s
Also, if this works would it be better to dl the 10.5.8 version and install that or stick with 10.4.11?

Runs fine but get kernel Panic????
That don't make sense.
Does it run fine or not?

The third thing you ask I can not comment on, it is against the rules.

But, I can say Leopard runs fine on it.
I can also say 5 GB does not fit on a regular DVD.

 

[milocool]

Runs fine but get kernel Panic????
That don't make sense.
Does it run fine or not?

The third thing you ask I can not comment on, it is against the rules.

But, I can say Leopard runs fine on it.
I can also say 5 GB does not fit on a regular DVD.

Well... it does appear to run as before, i've backed up everything and so far no kernel panic...
One of these days i'm gonna have to do a reinstall and clean the fan and heatsink (she can't even run youtube without it overheating) but that seems like a difficult thing to do :s

For now here's the kernel panic she got.

Unresolved kernel trap(cpu 0): 0x700 - Program DAR=0x00000000C3460000 PC=0x00000000000AE734
Latest crash info for cpu 0:
Exception state (sv=0x32D10280)
PC=0x000AE734; MSR=0x00081030; DAR=0xC3460000; DSISR=0x40000000; LR=0x000AE734; R1=0x1CEF3AF0; XCP=0x0000001C (0x700 - Program)
Backtrace:
0x002C7EBC 0x009D0218 0x009DA09C 0x009DA274 0x009DA83C 0x009DAF1C
0x009DB264 0x002D2180 0x009D3360 0x0003CA1C 0x000A9714
Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
com.apple.driver.Portable_PlatformMonitor(1.8.0d12)@0x9d8000
dependency: com.apple.driver.AppleMacRISC2PE(1.8.0d12)@0x9c9000
com.apple.driver.AppleMacRISC2PE(1.8.0d12)@0x9c9000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(1.7)@0x48d000
dependency: com.apple.driver.IOPlatformFunction(1.8.0d12)@0x881000
Proceeding back via exception chain:
Exception state (sv=0x32D10280)
previously dumped as "Latest" state. skipping...
Exception state (sv=0x32979780)
PC=0x00000000; MSR=0x0000D030; DAR=0x00000000; DSISR=0x00000000; LR=0x00000000; R1=0x00000000; XCP=0x00000000 (Unknown)

Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 8.11.0: Wed Oct 10 18:26:00 PDT 2007; root:xnu-792.24.17~1/RELEASE_PPC
panic(cpu 0 caller 0xFFFF0007): 0x700 - Program
Latest stack backtrace for cpu 0:
Backtrace:
0x000954F8 0x00095A10 0x00026898 0x000A8204 0x000ABB80
Proceeding back via exception chain:
Exception state (sv=0x32D10280)
PC=0x000AE734; MSR=0x00081030; DAR=0xC3460000; DSISR=0x40000000; LR=0x000AE734; R1=0x1CEF3AF0; XCP=0x0000001C (0x700 - Program)
Backtrace:
0x002C7EBC 0x009D0218 0x009DA09C 0x009DA274 0x009DA83C 0x009DAF1C
0x009DB264 0x002D2180 0x009D3360 0x0003CA1C 0x000A9714
Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
com.apple.driver.Portable_PlatformMonitor(1.8.0d12)@0x9d8000
dependency: com.apple.driver.AppleMacRISC2PE(1.8.0d12)@0x9c9000
com.apple.driver.AppleMacRISC2PE(1.8.0d12)@0x9c9000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(1.7)@0x48d000
dependency: com.apple.driver.IOPlatformFunction(1.8.0d12)@0x881000
Exception state (sv=0x32979780)
PC=0x00000000; MSR=0x0000D030; DAR=0x00000000; DSISR=0x00000000; LR=0x00000000; R1=0x00000000; XCP=0pModel: PowerBook6,8, BootROM 4.9.0f0, 1 processors, PowerPC G4 (1.2), 1.5 GHz, 1.25 GB
Graphics: GeForce FX Go5200, GeForce FX Go5200, AGP, 64 MB
Memory Module: DIMM0/BUILT-IN, 256 MB, built-in, built-in
Memory Module: DIMM1/J31, 1 GB, DDR SDRAM, PC2700U-25330
AirPort: AirPort Extreme, 405.1 (3.90.34.0.p18)
Modem: Jump, V.92, Version 1.0
Bluetooth: Version 1.9.5f4, 2 service, 1 devices, 1 incoming serial ports
Network Service: AirPort, AirPort, en1
Parallel ATA Device: MAT****ACD-RW CW-8123
Parallel ATA Device: Hitachi HTS541060G9AT00, 55.89 GB
USB Device: Bluetooth USB Host Controller, Apple, Inc., Up to 12 Mb/sec, 500 mA
USB Device: Microsoft Wireless Optical Mouse® 1.0A, Microsoft, Up to 1.5 Mb/sec, 500 mA



Thank you for your help already!

 

[justperry]

Well... it does appear to run as before, i've backed up everything and so far no kernel panic...
One of these days i'm gonna have to do a reinstall and clean the fan and heatsink (she can't even run youtube without it overheating) but that seems like a difficult thing to do :s

For now here's the kernel panic she got.


Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
com.apple.driver.Portable_PlatformMonitor(1.8.0d12)@0x9d8000
dependency: com.apple.driver.AppleMacRISC2PE(1.8.0d12)@0x9c9000
com.apple.driver.AppleMacRISC2PE(1.8.0d12)@0x9c9000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(1.7)@0x48d000
dependency: com.apple.driver.IOPlatformFunction(1.8.0d12)@0x881000


Thank you for your help already!

So, this one is from when the problem occurred, not now?

Did she have anything connected to it, like a monitor, seems like an IO problem before, I am not an expert reading these but mostly I am fairly right.

If it's running fine it was just a glitch, it might have been a bad block on the HD.

If she watches a lot of YouTube she should get an App for this instead of running it in a browser, and you probably know flash doesn't run well on PPC, I have HTML5 enabled in YouTube but she then needs a more recent Safari Browser which does not run on 10.4.X as far as I know, you could try 10.5.8 but as I said before if you get it the legal way it's expensive.(On Ebay)