Hibernating still makes sense?

[rin67630]

With the actual huge amounts of RAM and using SSDs that wear on write, does hibernating still make sense?
It probably always boots slower than regular and wears unnecessarily the NVMe blades.

 

[throAU]

With the actual huge amounts of RAM and using SSDs that wear on write, does hibernating still make sense?
It probably always boots slower than regular and wears unnecessarily the NVMe blades.

SSDs have plenty of write endurance.
the reality is that waking from sleep is faster than cold boot.

I have SSDs here that have done 5-7 years of heavy read/write running virtual machines for work, 10 year old laptops with SSDs that are still good, etc.

The amount of write that a typical user will do in 10 years is not going to wear out an SSD and hibernation is a fraction of that.

Anecdotally I've seen far better reliability from SSDs than I have from traditional hard drives, even when the SSDs are under far more load. Both in personal machines, servers and enterprise storage arrays.

 

[rin67630]

SSDs have plenty of write endurance.
the reality is that waking from sleep is faster than cold boot.

Waking from sleep, yes. But from hibernation with e.g. 32GB Ram or even more?

Anecdotally I've seen far better reliability from SSDs than I have from traditional hard drives, even when the SSDs are under far more load.

I have another experience. Never had a HDD failing in last 10 years, but a couple of SSDs.
And when SSDs fail, then so that nothing can be recovered.

 

[bake]

Hibernate makes less sense now with fast SSDs and big RAM, yeah. Sleep is usually enough unless you really want to save battery for days without plugging in.

 

[throAU]

Waking from sleep, yes. But from hibernation with e.g. 32GB Ram or even more?

I have another experience. Never had a HDD failing in last 10 years, but a couple of SSDs.
And when SSDs fail, then so that nothing can be recovered.

Loading 64 gigs of ram from a modern SSD is about 10 seconds and far faster than booting macOS, putting in your password because touchID is disabled until you do, waiting for it to boot and then loading all those apps.

However any media can fail at any time. This is why you have backups.

If you’re relying on the ability to do forensics on failed drives instead of having backups, you don’t care about keeping your data.


Edit: primary desktops for me since 2016 have been all SSD and 64 GB of ram. They’ve been waking from sleep without issue with zero failures.

I did buy decent SSDs, but some of them are still active and about 9 years old.

 

[adrianlondon]

Old habits die hard ... I often shut down my laptop at night and boot it back up in the morning. Apart from that, I just close the lid - I don't think my laptop ever hibernates.

Shutting down overnight doesn't really make much difference to just closing the lid, but it makes me feel better. I do wonder if it's also more secure if stolen, if it's shut down rather than just being asleep.

 

[Basic75]

I never use hibernate. If I leave a Mac for a couple of hours to a couple of days I'll let it sleep, anything beyond that and I shut it down. Having to wait a few more seconds and enter the password on startup is no relevant overhead because it happens so rarely.