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thomamon

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So I've always had my photos set to Most Compatible. Just wondering your own personal experiences if you have used both? Is there quietly loss with High Efficiency?

Also, if you set video to 4k 60 Frames Per Second. It says you must use high efficiency. But do you have to have high efficiency set in the settings?
 
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In general, High Efficiency is offers better color and smaller files. There are very few reasons to use Most Compatible.
 
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I feel torn about those options as well. And then further, is Automatic or Download originals the best way to go when transferring? Someone else explained to me earlier that for editing images, most compatible let’s you edit more before losing quality.
 
So I've always had my photos set to Most Compatible. Just wondering your own personal experiences if you have used both? Is there quietly loss with High Efficiency?

Also, if you set video to 4k 60 Frames Per Second. It says you must use high efficiency. But do you have to have high efficiency set in the settings?

I think you can have most compatible as default but if you set 4k at 60 it will save as high efficiency just the 4k videos (the rest will mantein in most compatible / jpg).
 
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I feel torn about those options as well. And then further, is Automatic or Download originals the best way to go when transferring? Someone else explained to me earlier that for editing images, most compatible let’s you edit more before losing quality.
Yeah, Wish I had some answers to both... For now I will keep with most compatible and originals...
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In general, High Efficiency is offers better color and smaller files. There are very few reasons to use Most Compatible.
Really?? Better colors? I've heard people say that high efficiency you lose quality right away... But I wish we had facts.
 
High efficiency (HEIF) is a modern compression algorithm that both does a better job preserving details and results in a smaller file. It also allows for a larger 16-bit color space instead of the 8-bit space allowed with a JPEG. Any iPhone camera from the iPhone 7 on captures “wide color” (display P3) images. These contain 10-bit color so your are automatically throwing color information away if you save it in Most Compatible (JPEG) format. HEIF also allows for non-destructive editing without having to save a new file each time. The only real downside to HEIF is that most of the rest of the world doesn’t use it. But, it’s not too hard to convert from HEIF to JPEG with an app.

Look at it this way, if you save your pictures in HEIF, you get all the benefits of better detail retention, full color reproduction, and a smaller file size while still retaining the option to convert to JPEG at a later time. If you save straight to JPEG, there is no way to get back the detail and color information that is thrown away. And you’re left with a larger file at the same time.

See this article for more.
 
High efficiency (HEIF) is a modern compression algorithm that both does a better job preserving details and results in a smaller file. It also allows for a larger 16-bit color space instead of the 8-bit space allowed with a JPEG. Any iPhone camera from the iPhone 7 on captures “wide color” (display P3) images. These contain 10-bit color so your are automatically throwing color information away if you save it in Most Compatible (JPEG) format. HEIF also allows for non-destructive editing without having to save a new file each time. The only real downside to HEIF is that most of the rest of the world doesn’t use it. But, it’s not too hard to convert from HEIF to JPEG with an app.

Look at it this way, if you save your pictures in HEIF, you get all the benefits of better detail retention, full color reproduction, and a smaller file size while still retaining the option to convert to JPEG at a later time. If you save straight to JPEG, there is no way to get back the detail and color information that is thrown away. And you’re left with a larger file at the same time.

See this article for more.
Thanks for this awesome answer. And I am now going to change my setting to High Efficiency lol
 
HEIC image files can't be opened natively by older devices and most PCs and older software.
 
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I have an iphone 6S. When someone with a newer iphone sends me pictures via Messages app, I cannot view or download the picture that is arriving in HEIC format. I do not have any FORMAT options in my Settings - Camera.
So does the person who is trying to send me a picture have to change the FORMAT option on their iphone to "Most Compatible" before sending the picture to me (so it gets sent as a JPG)?
It seems absurd that a newer iphone sending pictures to an older iphone would have any incompatibility issues.
 
I have an iphone 6S. When someone with a newer iphone sends me pictures via Messages app, I cannot view or download the picture that is arriving in HEIC format. I do not have any FORMAT options in my Settings - Camera.
So does the person who is trying to send me a picture have to change the FORMAT option on their iphone to "Most Compatible" before sending the picture to me (so it gets sent as a JPG)?
It seems absurd that a newer iphone sending pictures to an older iphone would have any incompatibility issues.

If you update your software you should be able to. ALL devices that support IOS 11 can use the new formats, only newer phones can record using them (and will show the additional settings).

 
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I have updated my phone to IOS 13.1.3. This did not resolve the issue (but rather ... it seems like this is when the problem started!). My older iPad mini was not able to view the incoming picture (on Messages app) either, and it is on IOS 12.4.2.
 
I have updated my phone to IOS 13.1.3. This did not resolve the issue (but rather ... it seems like this is when the problem started!). My older iPad mini was not able to view the incoming picture (on Messages app) either, and it is on IOS 12.4.2.
Are you sure its a picture? Older devices can still have trouble with videos recorded in newer formats, but a picture should be no problem.
 
Yes, I am sure it is a picture. My friend had the same problem receiving pictures on his newer iphone, from the same sender. He was able to change his Settings - Camera - Format ... to Most Compatible, and then he was able to view the pictures. However, my iphone 6S does not have a Format option under Settings - Camera (an neither does my ipad mini)
 
Yes, High efficiency (HEIF) will give better colors that is a for sure thing and true, I have tested it out and you really notice with flower or colorful building shots that HEIF gives better colors. I think I am going back to HEIF for good. Plus maybe this capture outside the frame will work.
 
If I receive a HEIC photo in Messenger that my iphone 6s cannot open, then it turns out that I can contact the sender of the picture. They can change photos they take back to JPEG format, by following these steps. Go to Settings > Camera. Tap Formats. Tap Most Compatible. Once they do this, they can resend the picture to me and it will arrive as a JPG file that my iphone can view.
 
Noticed also when I open a photo that was shot in high efficiency in lightroom in opens it automatically in jpeg.
 
My iPad mini first gen running iOS9 is able to see pictures in my photo stream as well as in messages. Maybe iCloud either automatically converts HEIC to jpeg where needed or one of the hotfixes to iOS9 has even made that old thing compatible.. either way there shouldn’t really be needed to change in order for older iPhones to receive pictures. That sounds like a bug .
 
My iPad mini first gen running iOS9 is able to see pictures in my photo stream as well as in messages. Maybe iCloud either automatically converts HEIC to jpeg where needed or one of the hotfixes to iOS9 has even made that old thing compatible.. either way there shouldn’t really be needed to change in order for older iPhones to receive pictures. That sounds like a bug .

interesting
 
Learned a lot here. HEIF providing better quality with reduced file size, sounds great.

I think I have default settings. Set to record in HEIF. Setting for pc/Mac transfer, is automatic.

I have a windows pc where my primary photo and video archive is stored. I also do some additional simple editing on the pc.

I guess that I am recording on iPhone HEIF, but then converting to “lower efficiency” jpeg when I import to the PC.

I could change transfer option to keep originals. But from what I’ve read re required extensions etc just to view on pc, and worse to be able to edit directly (without first converting to jpeg), doesn’t sound like windows/pc is where I want it to be yet re simple and transparent handling/editing of HEIF photos and video.
 
IIRC, there are two files associated with HEIC, the image file and a ‘sidecar’ file that appears as ‘same name.AAF. The .AAF file is where edits and other info is stored. You can see these files if you look at them in Mac Finder, at least pre-Catalina. Same deal when you open a Windows NTFS file on a Mac.

As noted there maybe compatibility issues with messaging, email attachments, etc if the application doesn’t ‘know’ how to manage the .AAF file. If you’re going to share across many platforms and applications, at this time jpeg is best, but as long as you know what’s going on and are willing to deal with the format all is fine. The ‘Most Compatible’ setting is called that for the obvious reason.
 
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That's really strange. I've had my phone set to High Efficiency since I got it, and my iPhone X before this. I often send pictures to my wife's 6s via iMessage, and she's never had a problem viewing them. Odd ...
 
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