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paddensg

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Jul 19, 2009
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I read a few posts that gave me the vibe that Apple basically rolls out a bunch of stuff with the same configuration, and when someone wants a machine with more horsepower, they take one of these out the stock components and put in the higher end stuff. Is this true?

Thanks.
 
Yes. The stock configurations are what you see on the web, the keynotes, and are the only systems you can buy in a retail outlet. BTOs are online-only.
 
Hmm, seems plausible. Kind of don't like the idea that the computer is being handled more than it needs to be, but we have to put our faith in Apple I suppose.
 
Hmm, seems plausible. Kind of don't like the idea that the computer is being handled more than it needs to be, but we have to put our faith in Apple I suppose.

The BTO options are added at the factory. That is why BTO is an online only option.
 
Like the previous poster said, they build BTO orders from scratch. They don't mod already made machines. I just ordered a Mac Mini last week BTO and it is shipping from the factory in China.
 
Like the previous poster said, they build BTO orders from scratch. They don't mod already made machines. I just ordered a Mac Mini last week BTO and it is shipping from the factory in China.

That doesn't mean anything. Yes, they make the customization at the factory, but that doesn't mean it gets built to your order on the assembly line.
 
That doesn't mean anything. Yes, they make the customization at the factory, but that doesn't mean it gets built to your order on the assembly line.

So you believe they pull apart a fully assembled computer every time there is a BTO order?
 
I just got a 3.06 config and I can tell you without a doubt they crack open an already fully assembled mac to upgrade it. Mine had black muck on the front edges and dirty on the bottm and a little hairline scratch by the sleep light. Whoever upgraded it didn't take any care or even give it a once over before throwing it back in the box. I'm pretty pissed.
 
I just got a 3.06 config and I can tell you without a doubt they crack open an already fully assembled mac to upgrade it. Mine had black muck on the front edges and dirty on the bottm and a little hairline scratch by the sleep light. Whoever upgraded it didn't take any care or even give it a once over before throwing it back in the box. I'm pretty pissed.

How does having black muck, a dirty bottom, and a scratch prove anything one way or the other?

I've never seen their factory but I would be very surprised if they start swapping out parts on a fully assembled Mac.
 
The CPUs are soldered to the board, so BTO CPUs have to be built-in from the beginning. They probably have a bunch of boards with the 3.06 or whatever chip sitting around. They probably have a separate BTO assembly line. When someone orders a 3.06 with a RAM upgrade and a HD upgrade, they assemble one computer with those specs and ship it out. It would be extra work for them to assemble a computer, then take it apart, upgrade it, and put it back together. They might as well just build it BTO from the start.

If someone orders say, a stock processor with a RAM or HD upgrade, they probably either pull the computer off the main assembly line before those components are added, or just build them on the BTO line.

It only makes sense to ship BTO computers direct from the factory because that is expensive. For the stock configurations, they put a bunch of them in a container, which travels for a few weeks on a boat to a distribution center somewhere in the US or Europe, where they are then sent out to Apple stores and online customers. That is not acceptable for BTOs, though, since people don't want to wait weeks for shipping.

I haven't seen Apple's (or Foxconn or Asus or whoever is making MBPs these days) factory, but what I described is likely the cheapest, thus the best way to do things. If Apple only got a few BTO orders, taking apart an existing computer might work (except for the CPU), but think they get enough BTO orders that that doesn't make sense for them. The BTO assembly line could be less automated than the main assembly line, though. For example, if they have a memory installing robot on the main line, they might just have a memory installing person on the BTO line since a second robot would be expensive.
 
I bet there is no automation in assembly. Labor is cheap.

http://www.china-labour.org.hk/en/node/100206
Average monthly wages have increased every year in China since the late 1980s. The average wage in urban areas in 2006 was 1,750 yuan a month, four times higher than the figure for 1995

1,750.00 CNY = 256.166 USD
China Yuan Renminbi United States Dollars
1 CNY = 0.146381 USD 1 USD = 6.83151 CNY
 
How does having black muck, a dirty bottom, and a scratch prove anything one way or the other?

I've never seen their factory but I would be very surprised if they start swapping out parts on a fully assembled Mac.

Proves it was handled. Get a grip.
 
It's all automated. Orders go through Apple's site and are then sent to whichever factory is manufacturing that specific machine. At the factory, the orders go into another system which hands out the orders to the various assembly robots. These robots have stocks of potential components such as 1GB and 2GB RAM DIMMs, various HDDs, etc. The robot reads the orders its given, installs the correct components, screws on the bottom case and off it goes.

The thing only humans do are maintain the robots and perform QC checks.
 
There is a BTO production line where all BTO's are build.
Each BTO has an ordernumber with a BOM (Bill of material) attached to it.
Your BTO components are picked according to the BOM and placed in a tray The tray will accompany the shell down the line. BTO may require more manual handling of the machine then the standard machines.

No way they open already build machines.
 
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