How much cheaper do old-gen MBP's get?

[TaylorJ]

...after a refresh?

Second, I know they wont be available from Apple directly, but how about Best Buy and other big retailers? Or will I have to go through eBay?

 

[ttttttttttt9]

Check out this thread from the day of the 2009 MBP refresh:
Amazon.com is having a fire sale on the previous generation uMBP

"The model that listed for $1999 prior to the WWDC is now $1499."