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Makisupa Policeman

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I’m on an 2020 Intel iMac running 12.6.1 and I’d like to upgrade, but I’m a little afraid of things breaking.

Otoh, going through the pinned thread of working/not working apps it seems everything I use on a regular basis is working, and with the 13.0.1 patch out I’m tempted to do it. Should I wait for 13.1 in December at least?
 
I have a 2020 Intel iMac and an M1 Max 16" MacBook Pro. During the beta program, Ventura was entirely unusable on my iMac even into late betas. In that you would boot the OS, then about 30 seconds later it would restart the system with a kernel panic.
However, since launch it has been stable. There are two problems in my opinion. 1 is that I don't like the new System Settings, that's just a preference thing though. 2 is that my iTerm2 setup with a pull-down terminal now locks to a desktop space instead of being a universal pull-down. Something changed in the window management service.
Aside from that though I have no issues with Ventura. Upgrade if you want. Keep a backup just in case. Is there anything in Ventura you want? If not and stability is very important to you, you might as well wait for .1 too. But there's no stability issues as far as I'm concerned anymore.
 
I’m on an 2020 Intel iMac running 12.6.1 and I’d like to upgrade, but I’m a little afraid of things breaking.

Otoh, going through the pinned thread of working/not working apps it seems everything I use on a regular basis is working, and with the 13.0.1 patch out I’m tempted to do it. Should I wait for 13.1 in December at least?
In my experience (with music and video studio) this depends entirely on exaclty what you are using the computer for, what your expecatations are, and most importantly, how many 3rd party applications your use & how they might be designed to interact. Alternatively, if using the mac with mostly Apple-only apps, web & the Apple ecosystem (walled garden) etc this will likely have far less impact.

In my case for example with a recording studio, a Ventura test install & migration to another boot volume has been pretty hopeless & there is no way I could presently continue to work given all of the broken pieces when it comes to pro apps. That list is quite lengthy, but for example, many of my audio plugins and virtual instruments are dependent on authorisations, some using an iLok dongle, others using a Steinberg dongle etc. Little of this works properly until I guess, the onus is on the manufactures to provide updates & in worst case scenarios, later charge for those updates.

There are also many examples of other third party apps, luck of the draw, too numerous to mention here. Some have recently been updated, some about to happen, others unclear as yet. [see elsehwere in these forums for incompatibility lists that have been generously created by some, eg: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/macos-13-working-and-broken-apps.2347026/ or https://www.pro-tools-expert.com/pr...ra-compatibility-the-ultimate-pro-audio-guide]

Whichever, vital to install a Ventura 'test' on a separate boot volume (migrate your apps & settings from Time Machine) & that way you can always boot into (say) Monterey or Ventura & also keep your eye on how the latter is coming along.
 
In my experience (with music and video studio) this depends entirely on exaclty what you are using the computer for, what your expecatations are, and most importantly, how many 3rd party applications your use & how they might be designed to interact. Alternatively, if using the mac with mostly Apple-only apps, web & the Apple ecosystem (walled garden) etc this will likely have far less impact.

In my case for example with a recording studio, a Ventura test install & migration to another boot volume has been pretty hopeless & there is no way I could presently continue to work given all of the broken pieces when it comes to pro apps. That list is quite lengthy, but for example, many of my audio plugins and virtual instruments are dependent on authorisations, some using an iLok dongle, others using a Steinberg dongle etc. Little of this works properly until I guess, the onus is on the manufactures to provide updates & in worst case scenarios, later charge for those updates.

There are also many examples of other third party apps, luck of the draw, too numerous to mention here. Some have recently been updated, some about to happen, others unclear as yet. [see elsehwere in these forums for incompatibility lists that have been generously created by some, eg: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/macos-13-working-and-broken-apps.2347026/ or https://www.pro-tools-expert.com/pr...ra-compatibility-the-ultimate-pro-audio-guide]

Whichever, vital to install a Ventura 'test' on a separate boot volume (migrate your apps & settings from Time Machine) & that way you can always boot into (say) Monterey or Ventura & also keep your eye on how the latter is coming along.
Audio software is probably the very worst software category for updates. They can often take a long time to update, and as you say, require additional payment for it. Another equally annoying category is CAS software like Maple and Mathematica - while less bad just in that you don't tend to have as many smaller bits to update like a swarm of plugins, they often have the same issues.
However, the Audio Units I have installed work fine under both Monterey and Ventura, including one iLok verified one. So YMMV of course.
But your approach with migration testing is good. A backup is also recommended
 
I have Ventura running on a 2019 Intel MacBook Pro 16" and a 2022 M1Max Mac Studio. It runs perfectly on both. I wouldn't say I have a ton of 3rd party utilities running, but I do have quite a few, along with MS Office and Adobe Creative Suite.

It depends on your knowledge of the system, and the apps & utilities you have installed as to how well any OS runs, along with the amount of RAM, speed of the storage drive, etc.
 
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As other folks have noted, if you are a creative, it's typically best to wait until you "need" to upgrade. If you are average Joe user, like me, ensure you have a plan to restore the pre-Ventura state, and give it a go. I really like Ventura, even the new System Settings (the search feature is excellent).
 
I installed Ventura on my 2020 m1 MacBook Air the day it was released, same with ipadOS 16 on my iPad Pro m1, my 10.5 inch iPad, and iOS 16 on my iPhone, had no issues with any of them. Installed Ventura on my unsupported ear.y 2015 MacBook Air using OCLP a week later, again no problems with it, and just yesterday installed Ventura on the late 2014 Mac mini I rescued from the trash can, again no issues. Not one issue with any of the new os releases and very stable.
 
Upgraded from Monterey to Ventura 13.0.1 yesterday on my Mac Studio and I didn't find any issues. No problems with the screen resolution of my Dell 32 inch and everything works. The OS is stable and has some nice new features.
 
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External drive with 2.4TB out of 4TB in use is much slower to list folders (actually have to sit and wait a couple of seconds) when saving files. There were zero delays before updating. Streaming from the external drive is slower as well.
 
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Any issues with MBP 16'' 2021 M1 Pro/Max? How is battery life with this particular model? Im considering to upgrade, but still holding on Monterey 12.6.1. Greetings
 
Any issues with MBP 16'' 2021 M1 Pro/Max? How is battery life with this particular model? Im considering to upgrade, but still holding on Monterey 12.6.1. Greetings
Do you have any reason to expect issues? It runs fine. Battery life is unsurprisingly unchanged from Monterey
 
I think what people forget is this is the internet. If one or two people have issues….. it becomes a major disaster. Of course depending on what people use their computers for…. Some will have issues, depending on other software and applications, based on what they need due to apps and such not being updated and or ready for the new operating system which is not the fault of Apple. Perfect example is I know a person who claims to be an it administrator who tries to tie a windows laptop that is running windows 10 to an iPad Air 2 to an iPhone 13, claims he has to run a vpn and has nothing but issues with his system, phone will only receive and make calls to other iPhones, android it won’t function at all, the iPad freezes in the middle of doing something, and his laptop is dog slow and he blames Apple for all of it, saying they make an overpriced toy for an operating system. Meanwhile the rest of us who are using apple products, laptop, desktop, iPad and iPhone have no such problem since we do not try to mismatch devices and expect them to all communicate with each other and work properly without issues. The macOS Ventura upgrade has probably been the smoothest and fastest upgrade I have ever done, and even on the unsupported systems using OCLP. Ventura seems very stable and has a few cool new features that I have found, stage manager is one of them and seems just as stable as any other release.
 
I upgraded my MacBook Pro when it came out and used it for a few days and I found that it was fine. So I upgraded my mini and Studio and it's stable for me. My Studio has been up for 15 days on Ventura and I've had no crashes or unexpected events. That said, I did notice that it was using a lot of RAM.
 
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Makisupa,

If you use a Synology NAS you might want to wait. I have put up a separate thread to cover my spontaneous reboot problem.

Tom
 
Makisupa,

If you use a Synology NAS you might want to wait. I have put up a separate thread to cover my spontaneous reboot problem.

Tom
I don’t, although it’s something I should transition to someday. I have way too many peripherals connected to my Mac right now lol.
 
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