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cheddar-caveman

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At 85 I really don't wan't or probably understand any problems on my computer so is Ventura a good, stable OS?
 
Don't upgrade. Currently location services is broken. It's been broken for 3.5 weeks. This can cause problems in particular applications. An example is that some people using Chrome cannot give it permission to access their location for websites that want it (e.g. looking up restaurants near me). I also use a calendar application which cannot access my location to give me the weather.

There is a front-page article about this bug. https://www.macrumors.com/2023/08/10/macos-ventura-13-5-location-services-bug/
 
If you are on Monterey or Big Sur, don't upgrade to Ventura.
From the OP's screenshot, it looks like Catalina.

so is Ventura a good, stable OS
Yes. It has always been relatively bug free. With Ventura you will then get security fixes for a few years.

But you do need to check that the applications you are running are supported for Ventura or have updates which are supported.

Potential annoyances you will have to contend with are a) System Settings which replaces System Preferences, b) more alerts regarding security restrictions which need to be accepted and/or configured.
 
Thanks folks, good information!

I'm currently on Catalina and several of the Apps I use no longer get updates, Topaz for example.

Still good to go to Ventura now they've fixed the bug?
 
I'm going to monitor that fix thread. In a couple days, if things seem reasonably OK, I'll apply the patch. If problems do escalate, I'll post something to that effect in this thread.
 
OP, consider:
  1. cloning your internal drive to an external
  2. boot into the external and upgrade IT to Ventura, then
  3. use it to do the things you do and see how it goes for a week or two, being careful to store important new files you create to an external drive so they would be accessible if you decided to switch back
If all is good for you after a first-hand trial period, you can do the same on the internal drive. However, if you find some issues you don't want to contend with, you can boot back to the internal drive and stick with an older OS. Just be sure you have a full backup of the internal detached so that there is at least one way back to exactly as you have it now.

This is the "baby step" option that gets you the answer per your own experience. Else, everyone else's opinions are driven by what they've chosen to do themselves and/or heard about it themselves. On one of my Macs, I still cling to Monterey. On another Big Sur. I even have an oldest one still running Snow Leopard.

Ventura should be much better than older macOS options... but modern Apple seems to have somewhat lost its "just works" way and some bugs can linger for upwards of years. I used to be so excited about macOS updates and now I wonder what about them is going to NOT "just work" even out at the .4 or .5 update level (which used to have the reputation or about "sure thing").

Personally, instead of cranking out a bunch of new features every year, I think we are a few years past another Snow Leopard cycle, where Apple takes whatever time they need to focus on bug fixes and behind the scenes cleanups. That worked so well way back then and Apple hasn't really done it since.
 
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Thanks folks, good information!

I'm currently on Catalina and several of the Apps I use no longer get updates, Topaz for example.

Still good to go to Ventura now they've fixed the bug?
You can download Apple installers here; including 13.5.1 with the bug fix for Location Services.
Your Mac can also run Monterey, which will get security updates until the end of 2024, and it is also really stable.
Your choice.
 
BTW, I downloaded the MX-23_fluxbox_x64.iso file and flashed it to a 16GB USB using balenaEtcher.
It it possible to use that USB to install the Linux system on an iMac (2014 15,1) + external SATA Crucial 500GB SSD?
The iMac internal SSD is a mere 128GB Apple blade, and I can either make a new APFS Volume on the Crucial SSD or a new partition if necessary. Sorry for the simple question, no experience with Linux so far.
 
Updated to Monterey and all looks good.
Got a "fatal error" top left of screen shot attached?
Also asked if I want "Control Centre App to accept incoming network connection". Should I say yes???

Thanks
 

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Got a "fatal error" top left of screen shot attached?
If it’s not updated, you should update RawTherapee to the latest version, 5.9 at the moment https://rawtherapee.com
Also asked if I want "Control Centre App to accept incoming network connection". Should I say yes???
/System/Library/CoreServices/ControlCenter.app is a system app, you can allow it to connect to the Internet.

BTW, I downloaded the MX-23_fluxbox_x64.iso file and flashed it to a 16GB USB using balenaEtcher.
It it possible to use that USB to install the Linux system on an iMac (2014 15,1) + external SATA Crucial 500GB SSD?
The iMac internal SSD is a mere 128GB Apple blade, and I can either make a new APFS Volume on the Crucial SSD or a new partition if necessary. Sorry for the simple question, no experience with Linux so far.
I would advise against that, you could really mess up the disks and potentially lose data.
It’s far easier and safer to test Linux in a virtual machine.
VMware Fusion it's free for personal use
Free Personal Use License for VMware Fusion https://customerconnect.vmware.com/en/evalcenter?p=fusion-player-personal-13
Always free
UTM https://github.com/utmapp/UTM
VirtualBox https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
 
If it’s not updated, you should update RawTherapee to the latest version, 5.9 at the moment https://rawtherapee.com

/System/Library/CoreServices/ControlCenter.app is a system app, you can allow it to connect to the Internet.


I would advise against that, you could really mess up the disks and potentially lose data.
It’s far easier and safer to test Linux in a virtual machine.
VMware Fusion it's free for personal use
Free Personal Use License for VMware Fusion https://customerconnect.vmware.com/en/evalcenter?p=fusion-player-personal-13
Always free
UTM https://github.com/utmapp/UTM
VirtualBox https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
Thanks for the advice!
I will look into using the free version of VMMware Fusion.
 
Ventura is a very stable OS IME and was from the beginning when I upgraded to 13.0.3. YMMV. This recent location services bug has been the worst I’ve heard of so far, but now it’s fixed.
 
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