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I am writing this because I need to write something today, and I read another thread here where someone was complaining about Siri, and proclaiming that Apple as a whole was "done for" and that "Steve Jobs must be spinning in his grave..."

Well, in September of 2020 I switched from a Windows PC to a Mac, and a few months later purchased an iPad (moving from a Surface Tablet) and an iPhone (moving from Android).

Now a few things to note:
  • I always had the "best" PC/Android stuff, as I am a content creator for a living
  • I am not an average user. I am the person people call when their tech acts weird or they need help.
So here are some observations I wanted to share:

MacOS Specific

Switching to Mac was harder than I thought it would be. Things worked better, but I spent the better part of a month trying to sort out why things worked they way they did. I needed to unlearn Windows 10 to properly use the OS, which is fine. The minute I stopped arguing with it I learned to love it.

When it is stable, it is SUPER stable. Apps generally work well too and the OS is fast as anything else.

The stability however ends if you do what I did, which is install too many tweaks. I was trying to read NTFS disks with special programs and added little tweaks to the point where my computer would hang, and that is where the fun STOPPED.

With Windows 10 you can almost always ALT+CTRL+DEL your way out of a problem, but that does not work on a mac.

Apple Menu - Force Quit does not work often, and I found myself hard resetting way more than I wanted to.
Adding a second monitor helps, for some reason I can get force quit up using the monitor that the unresponsive app is not active in, but this is certainly a place where I would miss Windows 10 and the ability to manage things under the hood more to avoid hard resets.

Since then though, I have stopped fiddling. I had to embrace APFS for my drives I use for work and now things are smooth.

The amount of security on the machine is also great. Windows has used UAC for installing programs that can modify things at a level that can cause problems for a while, but installing an app that has several individual security settings takes getting used to on Mac.

It is still really nice to see that Apple wants you to see that this program will record keystrokes or have access to a camera or can record the screen. This is something that all OS's should do, and I would love to see Windows do.

iPhone Specific

I do not even know where to start.

I always used the newest Samsung phones every year, but every year there was SOMETHING about them that was off. Be it the camera focus issue in the S20 Ultra or the fact that the S7 had this strange fisheye effect. The camera is important to I think everyone, and the iPhone does it right.

Let's get this straight. The iPhone does not have the best camera on the market. There are other devices with more megapixels, and even better computational tricks to them. Some of them do 8K video and some of them like the current Pixel have amazing software tricks.

What the iPhone camera does however is translate GREAT images into every app.

It is like this - if you make an app you request camera access. If your app needs to be installed on 100s (if not 1000s) of Android models, or four iPhone models, your app will have better results on iPhone, seeing as you do not need to account for that much fragmentation.

Signal messenger on iPhone takes better looking photos from inside the app than the Instagram app on a Samsung phone. Explain that to me.

I could go on about the camera and how well it works, but this would be several hundred words longer. Let me know in a reply if you want me to elaborate.

SECURITY.

Everything about this device is locked down. If someone steals my Samsung phone, and I did not take the extra step to enable the Samsung account, they can wipe the device. Even if I did enable that Samsung account, I am pretty sure that booting recovery in Android and reimaging it means that the device is gone forever.

Apple makes this really hard to get into. From FaceID to the account password and then double authentication even if they got both of those somehow.

Now the phone can be tracked after being turned off? Yea, that makes me feel good about the device and my data being safe.

Not to mention the first time that iOS pops up and says "The app ______ has used your location 10 times in the last three days without you knowing about it."

That moment should be more of a focus in their ads than it has been. They did run ads last fall around this, but now a days I think people care more about their privacy. That is a true lightbulb moment for folks.

Safari blocking trackers, the inability for facebook to track you, messages being encrypted when sending to other iPhone users? It is just really something that Android and Windows folks do not know about, and if they did they might seriously consider Apple products.

What do I miss?

Complete access to my file system. That sucks. I want to be able to save a large file on the device and then connect it as though it was a flash drive. I do miss some of the deeper customizations like dialer apps that can read the phone state to get rid of robocalls before they even hit my phone.

I am not concerned in theming my phone though. I am an adult and do not really have time for that. For those that theme extensively, I get it. Power to you. I create my art as a job, so to me that is just where I focus.

MacOS and iPhone Integration

When I was a kid I was that annoying friend that had give you a "well actually..."

I did this once when a friend said "its so STUPID. They should put Mario games on the Genesis!"

"Well actually," I chimed in "Nintendo keeps those on their platform so you need to buy into their ecosystem."

And in a way, that is one thing that Apple has done well with me. They will keep me in their ecosystem because of how seamless iOS, iPadOS and MacOS integrate.

Doing work and need to hand a proof to someone? Just AirDrop it to your iPad and show them. Need to send yourself a video? AirDrop it to your Mac or put it on iCloud and it will be on the Mac when you need it.

Yes, Windows has a cloud too. I am sure it works with Android phones too, but there is no AirDrop, no way to do things in a matter of seconds, seamlessly.

Want to focus? Switch your iPhone into a mode you designed for that, and your Mac and watch and iPad all share the same state until you want to switch things off.

That sort of system is really important for people that want to get work done, and trust me it helps.

Ever try and record a video or do a zoom call and have your phone start to go off? It can be embarrassing, can lead to you restarting your video (which would be my case) or can completely interrupt your work if you are using your phone.

To close this out OBJECTIVELY

I am not a complete and total Apple Fanboy. Right now I am typing this on my iMac which is running Windows 10. This is the last Intel based iMac apple will maybe ever make and I am keeping it because I like PC gaming and the 16 gigabyte AMD 5700xt in it should last at least a few years in most games.

I am always for innovation. If Intel or nVidia start to make better ARM based silicon that means Apple will have to step their game up. That is the way things are supposed to work.

I just feel that for every annoyance that a Windows or Android user has and every concern for privacy they SHOULD have is overall addressed for the most part in Apple products.

If that remains the same going forward great, I will stick with Apple.

If someone comes around and develops a better system, maybe I go there. For now though, I just wanted to sound off about what the switch from Windows/Android to Mac/iOS has been like for me.

Thanks for reading!
 
Nice to see an upbeat thread, instead of another "Apple has lost their way and this is what is wrong" thread. Glad you are enjoying your Apple products. Have you used the feature on your Mac where you can answer your phone call?
Once successfully. I am not sure why it never seems to work right for me. The call drops or answers but does not answer. It works fine on my watch, and my watch is not a 4g or 5g model, just using wifi as MacOS and iPadOS should.

This is the same in iMac, my M1 Macbook and my M1 Pro Macbook Pro.
 
Once successfully. I am not sure why it never seems to work right for me. The call drops or answers but does not answer. It works fine on my watch, and my watch is not a 4g or 5g model, just using wifi as MacOS and iPadOS should.

This is the same in iMac, my M1 Macbook and my M1 Pro Macbook Pro.
What version of MacOS are you using on your Mac computers? I am still using macOS 10.15. I plan on upgrading to macOS 12 after 12.4 has been released.
 
What version of MacOS are you using on your Mac computers? I am still using macOS 10.15. I plan on upgrading to macOS 12 after 12.4 has been released.
Not sure at the moment. Whatever is the most recent, non beta channel public build. I tend to like to keep things up to date. If I actually ever call apple, they tend to not help you unless iOS or MacOS is on the latest build.

Just checked. 12.0.1
 
Not sure at the moment. Whatever is the most recent, non beta channel public build. I tend to like to keep things up to date. If I actually ever call apple, they tend to not help you unless iOS or MacOS is on the latest build.

Just checked. 12.0.1
There could be a bug in macOS 12 Monterey. There is a new update for 12.1 I believe.
 
Nice post! I too came from Windows and still deal with it at work where I am the Media Coordinator which translates into IT person, videographer, graphic designer, and social media caretaker. My personal computer is a 14" M1 Max/64GB/1TB running OS 12.1. I love it.

Anyway I agree with all you said but lets not forget Windows updates. Apple will let you hold on all updates until you decide. Windows will let you delay an update but as soon as the delay is up here it comes. I have many PC's running W10 at work. I can't count the times someone turns on their PC and oh boy, have to wait on an update! And let's not forget what happens if the update messes up the computer.
 
There could be a bug in macOS 12 Monterey. There is a new update for 12.1 I believe.
There is beta available. I used beta when I wanted to get my cinematic mode videos to work in Final Cut. This is the newest stable though, this still happened in Big Sur.
 
There is beta available. I used beta when I wanted to get my cinematic mode videos to work in Final Cut. This is the newest stable though, this still happened in Big Sur.
The Mac App Store shows the latest non-beta released version to be 12.1.
 
Nice post! I too came from Windows and still deal with it at work where I am the Media Coordinator which translates into IT person, videographer, graphic designer, and social media caretaker. My personal computer is a 14" M1 Max/64GB/1TB running OS 12.1. I love it.

Anyway I agree with all you said but lets not forget Windows updates. Apple will let you hold on all updates until you decide. Windows will let you delay an update but as soon as the delay is up here it comes. I have many PC's running W10 at work. I can't count the times someone turns on their PC and oh boy, have to wait on an update! And let's not forget what happens if the update messes up the computer.
HOLY COW YES.

Let me tell you the tale of an update that completely bricked my PC in the sprint of 2019. It was terrible, and I had to remove it in Windows Recovery mode.

How many users are smart enough to boot to safe mode and look at a history of updates and then google the KB file name?

System restore is a pretty big joke too.

I am not HATING on windows, but I have Xbox Game Pass installed and it just randomly redirects me to something called Microsoft Game Services on the Windows Store when I try and launch a game.

This has been a problem for years, but it only came to light when MS released the last Halo game and suddenly 100k people had the same experience.

No way to fix it that does not involve powershell commands, registry keys.

Not to mention that the app creates an ISO of the game, but does not MOUNT the ISO.

Get this... The installer literally just downloads an xbox game ISO. When the game is set to "install" it must be wrapping it in some sort of translation program, but windows disk management does not mount this properly.

The only way to get the games to even install is to go into computer management and "online" the disk it downloaded.

You can then have it automatically install, and then the above problem manifests most of the time.

This is a $15 a month service they sell.
 
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Just a few things…

Apple Menu - Force Quit does not work often, and I found myself hard resetting way more than I wanted to.
Adding a second monitor helps, for some reason I can get force quit up using the monitor that the unresponsive app is not active in, but this is certainly a place where I would miss Windows 10 and the ability to manage things under the hood more to avoid hard resets.
Activity Monitor, which is in the Utility folder is often times of much better use than Force Quit. Select the malfunctioning app in Activity Monitor and force-quit it.

This is assuming that Activity Monitor is still included in the latest version of Mac OS. I wouldn't know for sure, my latest Macs are of 2009 vintage and running Catalina.

iPhone Specific
I am not concerned in theming my phone though. I am an adult and do not really have time for that. For those that theme extensively, I get it. Power to you. I create my art as a job, so to me that is just where I focus.
While you acknowledge that people theme and say 'power to you' I'm not sure that completely makes up for implying that they are children for doing so.

As if being an adult automatically means that you have zero time for anything other than being a serious person engaged in serious adulting. It's all about priorities and managing them. You can still do what you like without shortchanging others. Maybe it's less time or maybe it means getting up earlier or losing some sleep. It all just depends on how much it means to you or not.

Theming your phone is not a priority for you - but for those whom it is a priority it doesn't mean they aren't adults.

MacOS and iPhone Integration

When I was a kid I was that annoying friend that had give you a "well actually..."

I did this once when a friend said "its so STUPID. They should put Mario games on the Genesis!"

"Well actually," I chimed in "Nintendo keeps those on their platform so you need to buy into their ecosystem."

And in a way, that is one thing that Apple has done well with me. They will keep me in their ecosystem because of how seamless iOS, iPadOS and MacOS integrate.

Doing work and need to hand a proof to someone? Just AirDrop it to your iPad and show them. Need to send yourself a video? AirDrop it to your Mac or put it on iCloud and it will be on the Mac when you need it.

Yes, Windows has a cloud too. I am sure it works with Android phones too, but there is no AirDrop, no way to do things in a matter of seconds, seamlessly.

Want to focus? Switch your iPhone into a mode you designed for that, and your Mac and watch and iPad all share the same state until you want to switch things off.

That sort of system is really important for people that want to get work done, and trust me it helps.

Ever try and record a video or do a zoom call and have your phone start to go off? It can be embarrassing, can lead to you restarting your video (which would be my case) or can completely interrupt your work if you are using your phone.
It sounds as if you've gone all in on Apple's ecosystem. That's fine. Just realize that it's not the be all end all. Lots of people begin to think that they are trapped in the Apple ecosystem when they aren't. They just don't want to make the effort to use other services.

Apple works for you, but using other services works for me, with the exception of iMessage across iPhone/iPad and Mac. AirDrop? If I drop a file from my Mac right into Dropbox, guess where it is on the Dropbox app on my iPhone? Oh yeah, my iPad too…and my other iPhone and my other iPhone and oh yeah, all my other connected Macs and PCs.

It is GREAT that Apple doesn't lock you in, they give you choice - unless you let them lock you in.
 
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It sounds as if you've gone all in on Apple's ecosystem. That's fine. Just realize that it's not the be all end all. Lots of people begin to think that they are trapped in the Apple ecosystem when they aren't. They just don't want to make the effort to use other services.

Apple works for you, but using other services works for me, with the exception of iMessage across iPhone/iPad and Mac. AirDrop? If I drop a file from my Mac right into Dropbox, guess where it is on the Dropbox app on my iPhone? Oh yeah, my iPad too…and my other iPhone and my other iPhone and oh yeah, all my other connected Macs and PCs.

Apple's services are not the be all end all. But it is GREAT that Apple doesn't lock you in - unless you let them.

Thanks for the feedback. I expected pushback on the themeing.

As for this here, I welcome you to read the end of my write up.
 
Thanks for the feedback. I expected pushback on the themeing.

As for this here, I welcome you to read the end of my write up.
I did read that and I have nothing to argue over. You're willing to keep your options open and that's good. I'm just making a further point about Apple's services is all.

As an owner of multiple PowerPC/Intel Macs and iDevices I'm not here to argue or push back on your positivity. It's really just my one beef with the theming is all. That does not negate (I think) the validity of the rest of your post.
 
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This whole OP gives me a strange feeling that I cannot give unequivocal “like” or “dislike”, and it’s just too cumbersome to quote individual parts to argue (Safari sucks), so I just chime in a bit with my perspective.

I was born using Windows 3.11 (remember that?) playing solitaire and then Windows 98 for StarCraft, then RA95. Needless to say I am very used to PC and such. Half way into my (wasted) 20s, I got a 2014 MacBook Air 11”. I LOVED it. It was insanely portable, I sometimes carried it to show stuff where I’d not bother searching on my iPhone to show, often needing to pan around. But I eventually got another PC laptop, cause more stuff just works on PC, plus I am comfortable tinkering around when needed.

Fast forward a few years, I hastily bought MacBook Pro 13” M1, and enjoyed so far but start to feel “maybe not that much”. Apple silicon compatibility aside, macOS being locked down so much means I need to give up certain workflows to enjoy others (Apple Pay won’t work under any security setting that is not default). macOS for the most part is stable, and my Windows 10 install was not super stable for a period. Now, 30 days uninterrupted uptime, ezpz. No BSOD, no serious mysterious slowdown. Apps do crash from time to time but it never crashes the entire system. Microsoft office on PC works better (obviously?) and some programs I use for work don’t even have Mac version, let alone Apple silicon.

Mac ecosystem, while it works, it works great. When it does not though? Headache after headache. Most glaring example would be the AirPods Pro, which takes forever to connect to anything, randomly switch audio source, and no better performance than another generic set of BT4.1 headphone. I do like iPad integration with Mac when taking screenshots on Mac though, pretty cool.

I praise and criticise the apple ecosystem at my discretion, and I don’t feel obliged to defend apple on anything. I speak for my experience, for my judgement, and I stand by my experience, not swayed by anyone else. It’s great to exchange ideas, experiences and thoughts. But defending apple as if they are their overlord, is something I will never endorse.
 
Windows OS to me seems very intuitive, Mac OS on the other hand, counterintuitive. I don't understand how Mac users even function without a taskbar. Ugh. Windows Mobile would have been good too, but sadly it came late to the app market. I am not sure of Android or Samsung as I have not used either, but thinking of switching to Samsung from iPhone 8 because I want a new phone that doesn't cost thousand dollars. Looking at the new to be released Galaxy S21 FE for $700. I want this thing to last ten years with two battery replacements. What more can they do with smart phones from now on? The only app I really need is a web browser. ?‍♂️

I think Apple makes better hardware, but I find Apple comes up with creative performance updates which end up slowing down their older phone/devices after a couple of years. My sister's 2012 MacBook pro was crippled by Apple. Literally crippled. I bought her a new one last year. I have a 2012 HP desktop with Windows 7 that is still as fast as day one, almost a decade after purchase. I want things to last, because updating unnecessarily is how one wastes money, and how Apple makes money. Food for thought. ?

P.S. Apple has the best emojis! ? I will surely miss them if I were to switch to Samsung as most of my messages are emojis. ?
 
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Two things to add…
1) printing: I love how when I try to add a printer, I never have a problem locating it and installing it on a Mac. I also love that my devices can AirPrint without needing certain drivers.
2) updates. Each year Apple releases a large amount of updates that appear small but over the course of two or three generations amount to huge changes. Microsoft releases much bigger updates more sporadically. I still feel really lost with windows 10/11 and miss the workflow with XP/vista/7
 
1) printing: I love how when I try to add a printer, I never have a problem locating it and installing it on a Mac. I also love that my devices can AirPrint without needing certain drivers.
I use both Windows 11 and MacOS daily, and you are 100% correct on this. Printer management is so much easier on a Mac. Not to mention the Windows updates that "break" your printer connection.
 
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Just another point: Today I was using Excel to record warehouse stock level (for a small online store). M1 Mac performance when running Excel isn’t as Stella as people would want me to believe. I know my formula based live lookup performance is terrible and Excel on Mac is only M1 COMPATIBLE rather than OPTIMISED but still, the stutter after having 600 lines of data is abominable. Every single data entry by scanner takes extra 5s to calculate and output lookup results which resides in another sheet. M1 (Or Apple Silicon in general) heavily rely on processor optimisation, especially for professional applications where speed = money. Unoptimised workload will probably run worse than on similarly performed x86 platforms.

Don’t get me wrong. M1 Mac is fast, just not the “fast” YouTube reviewers want you to believe. I dunno if M1 Pro would improve this, and if so, how much. Let’s hope future generations (I’m talking about M3 and beyond) are performant enough, users can use them on any workload, unoptimised or optimised.
 
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Pretty much mirrors much of my thoughts from when I decided to switch in ... 2011. Was already an iPhone user, the Intel Macs had been out for a while and had the option of Windows in a VM or boot camp if required.

Now the training wheels are off and I'm daily M1-Pro without Windows (other than the PC on my desk which is literally just for gaming).


And this is such a thing it bears repeating and why you can't just use a Mac for a day and claim it sucks (and why anyone who does, without giving it a few weeks is premature):

Switching to Mac was harder than I thought it would be. Things worked better, but I spent the better part of a month trying to sort out why things worked they way they did. I needed to unlearn Windows 10 to properly use the OS, which is fine. The minute I stopped arguing with it I learned to love it.


So much.

Windows (and Linux) reinforces the need to second guess and micromanage the machine. Try do to that in Apple land and you find it awkward.

Let go, let it do its thing and 99% it will be fine. Only IF it does something stupid, THEN go trying to figure it out and micromanage. Trying to micromanage stuff that just doesn't matter, before there's any problem just leads to frustration.

Don't sweat the small stuff, let the machine manage things for the most part and things are much, much more pleasant to deal with.

Not to say there aren't powerful tools there if you need them. But micromanaging stuff that just doesn't need to be micromanaged due to (anticipating similar) bad experiences with leaving Windows to its own devices will just make life difficult for you.
 
there is good and bad with both systems

 has its failures, especially with applications and stubbornness
somehow the mac mini Mojave installed a copy of safari )14.1.1 for Catalina and now wont work, load.
i can't delete the app, or reinstall a copy from a time machine back up.
so i am using Edge until i get a ssd drive and install a fresh copy of Mojave.
and that whole pages and numbers only working on the last OS is brash.

then again i don't see Dell making something a great as a Mac mini.
or a laptop form 2010 that can pack a punch in 2022.
 
This whole OP gives me a strange feeling that I cannot give unequivocal “like” or “dislike”, and it’s just too cumbersome to quote individual parts to argue (Safari sucks), so I just chime in a bit with my perspective.
HA! the "safari sucks" is perfect timing!

the message you typed is perfect and precise.
personally i dont think we will ever get a perfect computer system because no on would upgrade.
 
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Let go, let it do its thing and 99% it will be fine. Only IF it does something stupid, THEN go trying to figure it out and micromanage. Trying to micromanage stuff that just doesn't matter, before there's any problem just leads to frustration.

Don't sweat the small stuff, let the machine manage things for the most part and things are much, much more pleasant to deal with.

Not to say there aren't powerful tools there if you need them. But micromanaging stuff that just doesn't need to be micromanaged due to (anticipating similar) bad experiences with leaving Windows to its own devices will just make life difficult for you.
iOS is pretty much designed with this mindset. I won’t say iOS is not powerful. But the lack of control makes fixing seemingly easy task on PC/Mac (to a lesser extend) incredibly frustrating. I hate beating a dead horse again but when iOS sync kept breaking iTunes library on my iPhone and iPad, my solution was deleting “iTunes_Control” folder and restart the syncing again. Should I follow so-called Apple Support advice, I’d just reinstall iOS and everything (Apps, data) 2-3 times a day when I want to sync my music library.

20 year old is a thing of the past for me now, so I’d rather prefer Windows/macOS not getting in my way while I am doing my work or gaming. This way I don’t spend time micromanaging the machine as you say, and for the most part I no longer micromanage my computer. With that being said, when there is a problem and the fix is easy (for example a few command lines or editing/deleting a file), I don’t want to be forced to reinstall macOS/Windows every time when a simple fix could solve the problem quickly.

There is a reason why Right to Repair exist and why that is not as bad as Apple wants you to believe. Same for not dumbing down operating system so much that a simple fix need to take hours or even days to complete.
 
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