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Install Mac OS X on Sony VAIO® P Series

likemyorbs said:
Who does it hurt? You can't follow every single rule ever made and live your whole life by the book, its just ridiculous and you wont get very far. if you're going to break one law in your lifetime, let it be a EULA
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Apple. They make their money from HW sales, not software. By installing OS X on a non-Apple computer, you have damaged them by depriving them of a HW sale.

Apple has maintained that the boxed versions of OS X are upgrades, since the only people that can legally install them are legitimate owners of a previous version.

If the trend continues that people just don't care, Apple will be forced to either pursue legal action against those people (costly and bad PR), or make it more difficult to install by creating/improving the hardware checks in OS X. Both ways are bad for consumers.
 
r.j.s said:
If the trend continues that people just don't care, Apple will be forced to either pursue legal action against those people (costly and bad PR)
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And how exactly would they pursue legal action? they could only pursue legal action against companies like psystar, they would NEVER EVER be able to track down individual people doing that. and i doubt people have that much sympathy for apple, you're buying a copy of OS X, period. they made their money for their part of your computer set up, if you chose not to go with their hardware, no one can force you if you find a way around it. and the "not caring" attitude will continue, but i doubt apple will suffer too much from it.
 
likemyorbs said:
And how exactly would they pursue legal action?
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Knowing Apple? How about SW Update phoning home and telling Apple what HW you are running, along with your IP address. Like I said, not the best idea for PR, but don't put it past Apple.
 
r.j.s said:
Knowing Apple? How about SW Update phoning home and telling Apple what HW you are running, along with your IP address. Like I said, not the best idea for PR, but don't put it past Apple.
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so a guest was on your wireless network with a hackintosh dell. it would NEVER happen because it would be too difficult to prove, i would even put it past apple. it just would never happen
 
Remember what happened with Psystar? Apple settled out of court because they specifically didn't want to test the validity of EULAs in the court of law.

Installing OSX on a hackintosh is a rather victimless crime. It's not hurting anyone, and in a situation like this, he will either:
1. Buy a PC, buy Leopard, and install OSX on the PC
2. Buy a PC and use Windows on it

Which do you think Apple would rather have happen?
 
If it was not for a hacintosh, I would not spend my money on a new macbook.

A hacintosh was the only real way to experience OS X (I dont count going into the store and playing with it a real experience). I am not the only hacintosh user that has "upgraded" to a real mac... many do.

Before I installed OS X on my "PC" (Hate the term PC.. as apple computer are still Personal Computers....) I never gave macs a chance. I always figured they were over priced and not worth the money. After using the OS for about 6 months I have changed my mind. I figred if the OS is this good then I would be willing to pay for it.

There will always be piracy, and people breaking the law.. But at least this way apple can gain some customers.
 
Knolly said:
Remember what happened with Psystar? Apple settled out of court because they specifically didn't want to test the validity of EULAs in the court of law.
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Link? Last I heard, no decision had been made. They did agree to keep the findings during discovery secret from each other - that way Apple doesn't have to reveal trade secrets to anyone and neither does Psystar.
 
VPrime said:
If it was not for a hacintosh, I would not spend my money on a new macbook.

A hacintosh was the only real way to experience OS X (I dont count going into the store and playing with it a real experience). I am not the only hacintosh user that has "upgraded" to a real mac... many do.

Before I installed OS X on my "PC" (Hate the term PC.. as apple computer are still Personal Computers....) I never gave macs a chance. I always figured they were over priced and not worth the money. After using the OS for about 6 months I have changed my mind. I figred if the OS is this good then I would be willing to pay for it.
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I was set on buying a Macbook but just can't do it at the moment because I fear it won't work with my 30" monitor, thanks to the shoddy and overpriced Dual Link DVI adapter and lack of Displayport adapter. So it's really their hardware flaws that keep me from buying their stuff. I do have an iPhone and iPod Nano, which I bought because I liked using OSX on my PC.
 
r.j.s said:
Link? Last I heard, no decision had been made. They did agree to keep the findings during discovery secret from each other - that way Apple doesn't have to reveal trade secrets to anyone and neither does Psystar.
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It depends on what you're asking, but:
http://www.techspot.com/news/32113-apple-and-psystar-to-settle-out-of-court.html

Apple and Psystar's initial suit was settled out of court, with the details withheld from the public. If you're asking for a link in regards to settling out of court due to the EULA then I have none, it's simply a conclusion I, as well as many other people, reached.
 
r.j.s said:
That's not a settlement, that is just a means of attempting to reach an out-of-court settlement.

See here, the trial is set for Nov.
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That is for Psystar's countersuit. The out of court settlement, which may or may not have been reached (they didn't make it public) was for Apple's initial suit against Psystar.

This isn't all that relevant to the original problem though... You keep saying how it is wrong to install OSX on a non-Apple machine... Again, it is not illegal unless Apple performs a massive legal coup with the Psystar case, which I very much doubt is possible. And let's get back to me question, given the following two options:
1. Buy a PC, buy Leopard, and install OSX on the PC
2. Buy a PC and use Windows on it
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Which do you think Apple would rather someone do?
 
Knolly said:
Which do you think Apple would rather someone do?
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Honestly? They would rather you buy a Mac.

You do realize that they don't make much on OS X by itself, and there are plenty of people out there that would pirate a pre-hacked copy rather than buy a legit copy and do the work themselves.

As I have said before, do what you want ...
 
r.j.s said:
Honestly? They would rather you buy a Mac.
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The example doesnt work if you dont choose one of the presented options. So **** they want you to buy a mac, thats obvious, but that also wasnt one of the options has asked you. Try again.
 
Does it make it right to do anything that's deemed wrong by society?

That is all up to discretion to certain people. Anyways, yeah it's definitely possible to put OS X on the P series. I have no clue why you'd want to though. It's an overpriced crappy piece of hardware, with the only thing going for it being the slim design.

They sacrificed a heck of a lot of performance to go for that too. Sounds a bit familiar if you ask me. *cough Apple*

I have two hacked iPhones on T-Mobile, an Asus Eee 1000HE running OSX with some hiccups, and OSx86 running on my AMD system. It runs like crap, but it was a fun project to boot. Did it make it right for me to pirate the software? Probably not to this board and the laws governing the United States, but who's going to come to my house and stop me? I did it, and I got it to mostly work. In the end, I'll just tinker around with it for a while then go back to using my PC for work and gaming. The Macbook is always on the side if I actually needed to do something that requires OSX, which is pretty much nothing.

Anyways. You're entitled to your opinions about using OSX for a non Apple computer, and I'm entitled to intentionally downloading software that broke the EULA that I didn't read in the first place. I could have shelled out 120 bucks for a copy of OSX on E-bay, or I could go buy another back up hard drive for my ever increasing music collection.

No one that has any power to stop me from doing whatever I want with OS X is going to do anything about it. The loss from me not buying another Apple computer is less than the amount for one of Apple's lawyers to come sue me.

The world has really taken my conscience away, and so has Apple's crappy products lately. Have you seen the new shuffle? What a pile of rubbish.
 
r.j.s said:
If the trend continues that people just don't care, Apple will be forced to either pursue legal action against those people (costly and bad PR), or make it more difficult to install by creating/improving the hardware checks in OS X. Both ways are bad for consumers.
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They wouldn't pursue legal action against individuals who weren't making a profit off of breaking the EULA. That's just not feasible from a financial standpoint. There are a lot of existing hardware checks in OS X, but they pretty much all have a work around.

If Apple makes all their money of of hardware sales, then their hardware should be worth buying. Some people are fed up with paying for the physical design and the modified version of linux.
 
I bought a Sony P but returned it and picked up a TT insted because it would not play simple youtube video without problems. It was sluggish even when drawing new pages...my iPhone was faster. I doubt that it would run leopard smoothly. I really liked the style. When Windows 7 ships it might be a better choice. I am waitting to see if Apple puts out a netbook sometime soon. Netbooks are a hot item now and I would be surprised if Apple did not put one out by summer. Also there is a Sony P Japan model that runs a 1.86 cpu that you might want to wait for it to make its way into the US. Battery life was only 2-2.5 hrs just using the web.
 
Jpoon said:
They wouldn't pursue legal action against individuals who weren't making a profit off of breaking the EULA. That's just not feasible from a financial standpoint. There are a lot of existing hardware checks in OS X, but they pretty much all have a work around.
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I said all of that already, my point is that they could, they do have cash sitting around.

If Apple makes all their money of of hardware sales, then their hardware should be worth buying. Some people are fed up with paying for the physical design and the modified version of linux.
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Nobody is forcing you to buy it. Look, it is a product, either you buy it or you don't.
 
r.j.s said:
Nobody is forcing you to buy it. Look, it is a product, either you buy it or you don't.
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Either buy it, dont buy it, or hack something else to make it work. Technology is great.

anyway....
The documentation for the P seems to be sparse. The best way to find out is to grab the iPC disc and install using minimal drivers. Dont add anything you dont absolutely need. Hopefully the wifi works, thats all you really need to get started. If you cant get the wifi working find out what chipset it is (im too lazy to look it up at the moment) and copy the kext to a tumbdrive with the app "KextHelper." install the kext with kexthelper and reboot. If you get wifi go online and find the app Osx86Tools. This app has a feature that scans your hardware and installs the drivers via the internet if any are available. If it doesnt find the driver it probably just doesnt exist. Its a not a precise art, but its the only way to know until someone posts results on InsanelyMac.
 
r.j.s said:
I said all of that already, my point is that they could, they do have cash sitting around.
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Let me put it simply for you. People are going to break rules, scam, cheat, and steal. People like you will continue to preach about how it's wrong but nothing will come from it.

You can sleep better at night by knowing you're doing the "right" thing and everyone else will sleep better at night by sleeping on pillows stuffed with 100 dollar bills.

OS X 86 isn't going anywhere.
 
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