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ZeeOwl

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Just saw this on MacPlus:
http://www.macplus.org/magplus/article.php?id_article=4541

The heat is on, the heat is on... :D

For those who don't speak French fluently...

"A new War

Intel continues it's progress in the processor speed war, and has just announced the availability of it's new Pentium 4 running at 3.2 GHz for June 23rd. This processor will be produced using 0.13 µm process, and will include a 512 kiB L2 cache. This very same June 23rd should constitute a historical date for Apple, since it will be the WWDC 2003 opening day in San Francisco, where the G4's official replacement is reportedly going to be officially announced. The speed race should therefore be back on, if Apple is actually capable of delivering new machines capable of out-running Intel-based ones. Following the March ads touting the G4's power (tanks protecting a PowerMac, US government outlawing export to restricted countries, etc...), followed by Motorola's process/supply problems, and Lord Schiller's refutation of the Megahertz Myth, there is no doubt that Apple will relish showing off it's new silicon bomb. It's only human..."

Here's the original article from The Register on which the MacPlus article is based:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/3/30982.html

Not 100% certain of my translation of "March ads". In French, the adjective «martiaux» can mean:
a) Having to do with March
b) Having to do with Mars
c) Having to do with oriental self-defense
I though "a" seemed to be the most likely. :D

Edit: Just added a message icon thingy :)
 
don't remember an ad back in march...

wow... i'm actually quite amazed intel can just keep on clocking them faster. i remember a year ago when i interviewed there that they would be getting the 3 GHz out in 2002. the position i interviewed for was the r&d/fabrication control for the newest/future chips. it was pretty tense and sounded a little stressful...
 
Re: ads & Ghz

Originally posted by jxyama
don't remember an ad back in march...

wow... i'm actually quite amazed intel can just keep on clocking them faster.

They were refering to the original PowerMac G4 ads when that line was announced. Maybe it was in March. I don't remember. I had the "tanks" one on my machines. Accidently erased it when I upgraded to OS X. Bummer, it was hilarious.

Yeah, Apple has some serious competion on it's hands. Though with the the low-k process announcement from Motorola, that could mean that 1.7 GHz G4 PowerMacs are coming soon. That's obviously not very exciting, but it's a bigger jump than than the 3.06 to 3.2 Ghz Pentiums. They still need the PPC 970's though, if they really want to make an impression on the industry. The low-k G4's would still be useful in the consumer & laptops; more speed or less power.
 
With .13 micron process (the current micron process), the Pentium 4 should be able to scale to a maximum of 3.6 Ghz before reaching it's architectural limits on that process. Other than providing perfect synchronization with the 800 mhz FSB (pure 4X multiplier), the 3.2 Ghz Pentium 4 is really just another speed bump. The real excitement begins fourth quarter of this year when Intel introduces Pentium 5 with .09 strained silicon process which is scheduled to scale up to 5+ ghzs and be significantly faster clock to clock than the current Pentium 4.
 
Well, the new P4 3.2Ghz will cost about twice what the current top of the range does (3.06Ghz). They must be having a lot of wasted cpu's. I believe its near to $650 per chip.
 
Intel question: what fab size is the Tejas processor? 0.09-micron? Anyone know if something like SSE3 is coming for that?

Does anyone besides me see implementation of a Centrino-like "lower clock speed but more calculations per cycle" desktop chip by Intel? Their chip production costs are skyrocketing right now because of their adherence to Moore's Law.

AMD question: Anyone know what the projected frequency max for the AMD Barton chip is?
 
Originally posted by iMook
Intel question: what fab size is the Tejas processor? 0.09-micron? Anyone know if something like SSE3 is coming for that?

Does anyone besides me see implementation of a Centrino-like "lower clock speed but more calculations per cycle" desktop chip by Intel? Their chip production costs are skyrocketing right now because of their adherence to Moore's Law.

AMD question: Anyone know what the projected frequency max for the AMD Barton chip is?

Tejas (Pentium 6) will replace the Prescott (Pentium 5) which will use .09 micron process in late 2004. All that's known right now is that it will use .65 nm micron process and scale to 9-10 GHzs before being replaced by Nehalem which is completely in the dark right now. SSE3 will be a feature of the Pentium 5 which is scheduled for release Q4 2003.
 
Originally posted by ZeeOwl
Thanks. I live in Quebec :D

me to!
from your thing, i see you live in sherbrook. mine says i live in montréal, but i actualy live in Saint Eustache. (i put montreal so that people have a general idea.)

anyways sorry for being off topic

aethier
 
Originally posted by iMook
Does anyone besides me see implementation of a Centrino-like "lower clock speed but more calculations per cycle" desktop chip by Intel? Their chip production costs are skyrocketing right now because of their adherence to Moore's Law.

Moore's Law says nothing about clock speed, just transistor count. If PCs would just ditch the tired x86 arch, they might see improvments.*


*This is not bigoted. a P4 is emulating x86 in hardware- it's superscalar, for one. Why not strip off the outer layer? ....You'd have to recompile the world. Linux could be ported in a day, Windows in a decade.
 
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