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kamil.amersi

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Hi,

Do you think that the inclusion of Intels graphic card instead of the Nvidia will portentially be an achilies heal in the new mbp 2011? i heard that it isnt quite as capable as nvidias one and might pose a couple of integration issues. do you think this will cause the os to "hiccup" and result in the user experience being not quite as smooth as the current one?
 
Intel IGP is more than fine for running OS X. You won't notice the difference unless you do something GPU intensive such as gaming.
 
Hellhammer said:
Intel IGP is more than fine for running OS X. You won't notice the difference unless you do something GPU intensive such as gaming.
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Ok great, was hoping that the intel doesn't make the interface "rough", if you know what o mean. How long do you think before the current stock of Mbps replenish, Assuming infect that this was a deliberate action from apple to halt supply af the 2010 model
 
kamil.amersi said:
Ok great, was hoping that the intel doesn't make the interface "rough", if you know what o mean. How long do you think before the current stock of Mbps replenish, Assuming infect that this was a deliberate action from apple to halt supply af the 2010 model
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If you're asking when will the update be, my guess is going to be early March.
 
Yes, I'm not sure what the C2D + 320m wattage is but I believe the i5+GPU is lower so it will probably result in better battery.
 
kamil.amersi said:
Hi,

Do you think that the inclusion of Intels graphic card instead of the Nvidia will portentially be an achilies heal in the new mbp 2011? i heard that it isnt quite as capable as nvidias one and might pose a couple of integration issues. do you think this will cause the os to "hiccup" and result in the user experience being not quite as smooth as the current one?
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If people run OS X on the 9400m, the 2011 MBP 13" with the Intel GPU will do fine, which is about as fast as the 310m.
 
Current Intel graphics (with the Arrandale processors) leads to rough animations on OS X. The roughness is minimal with the 320m and if the Sandy Bridge IGP performs comparably, OS X animations should run fine.
 
Hi.

I didn't want to just start a new thread for this question, because it probably didn't need one. I've been researching on MBPs for quite a while now, and I know I'm going to get one sooner or later. So this is my question.

With the seemingly imminent update in MBPs, and if Apple does decide to go with the Sandy Bridge in thew new MBPs (I'm looking specifically at 13''), would StarCraft 2 be able to run the same on them as they did the 2010 version? Seeing as in terms of a much better processor, the gaming graphics might take a hit because Intel isn't as good with these.

My friend has the 2010 MBP and has been running StarCraft 2 on medium quality pretty well. And I don't play games other than StarCraft 2 (if I did, I wouldn't be getting a Mac to do that), so I'm trying to find a balance between graphics and overall performance outside of the game.

I know it's almost impossible to know for sure what the new MBP will consist, but if it were you, would you sacrifice sticking with the C2D to have insurance to know SC2 will run decently, or wait for the new one because the graphics quality won't have a big enough difference to sacrifice a much better processor?

I apologize if a couple of my terms aren't correct. I'm not the most knowledgeable in terms of these things. Haha!

Thanks!
 
A lot is up to the drivers. If the Intel drivers are exceptionally good for OS X, Intel IGP may be faster than 320M is. On the other hand, they may suck and provide much worse performance than 320M. Anyway, I don't think there will be a big difference and you can always get a previous gen refurb if the Intel IGP ends up being much worse
 
Hellhammer said:
A lot is up to the drivers. If the Intel drivers are exceptionally good for OS X, Intel IGP may be faster than 320M is. On the other hand, they may suck and provide much worse performance than 320M. Anyway, I don't think there will be a big difference and you can always get a previous gen refurb if the Intel IGP ends up being much worse
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Thanks! Then I think I will probably wait til the new one comes out. Because quite honestly, as much as I love playing SC2, anything will be an upgrade from the HP Pavilion dv6000 I'm using right now which can't even run the game on the lowest qualities without tremendous lag. Also, the whole "mac experience" goes way beyond just StarCraft anyway.
 
orfeas0 said:
in this site: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-3000.37948.0.html
they rank the intel HD graphics 18% better than the nvidia 320m.
my question is, how can that be when intel's gpu has 12 pipelines while the nvidia 320m has 48?
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The performance of the cores depends on many things. E.g. NVidia GTX 580 has 512 CUDA cores while AMD 6970 has 1536 Stream cores, yet GTX 580 is faster. When the parts are using different architectures and designs, comparing the specs like core count is totally useless
 
kamil.amersi said:
Hi,

Do you think that the inclusion of Intels graphic card instead of the Nvidia will portentially be an achilies heal in the new mbp 2011? i heard that it isnt quite as capable as nvidias one and might pose a couple of integration issues. do you think this will cause the os to "hiccup" and result in the user experience being not quite as smooth as the current one?
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Barring Apple's careface for OpenCL or lack thereof, as Hellhammer would suggest, the Intel IGP on Sandy Bridge will only be slightly worse than the GeForce 320M found in the current 13" MacBook Pro, white MacBook, Mac mini and MacBook Air, but still way better than the GeForce 9400M it replaced.

Hellhammer said:
Intel IGP is more than fine for running OS X. You won't notice the difference unless you do something GPU intensive such as gaming.
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Even then, as long as you are on lower settings, it shouldn't be an issue. Again, you just won't get as good of performance graphically as you might with the 320M.

mark28 said:
If people run OS X on the 9400m, the 2011 MBP 13" with the Intel GPU will do fine, which is about as fast as the 310m.
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More that, OpenCL aside, the IGP is way faster than the 9400M, but only a slight bit worse than the 320M.

4everZero said:
Hi.

I didn't want to just start a new thread for this question, because it probably didn't need one. I've been researching on MBPs for quite a while now, and I know I'm going to get one sooner or later. So this is my question.

With the seemingly imminent update in MBPs, and if Apple does decide to go with the Sandy Bridge in thew new MBPs (I'm looking specifically at 13''), would StarCraft 2 be able to run the same on them as they did the 2010 version? Seeing as in terms of a much better processor, the gaming graphics might take a hit because Intel isn't as good with these.

My friend has the 2010 MBP and has been running StarCraft 2 on medium quality pretty well. And I don't play games other than StarCraft 2 (if I did, I wouldn't be getting a Mac to do that), so I'm trying to find a balance between graphics and overall performance outside of the game.

I know it's almost impossible to know for sure what the new MBP will consist, but if it were you, would you sacrifice sticking with the C2D to have insurance to know SC2 will run decently, or wait for the new one because the graphics quality won't have a big enough difference to sacrifice a much better processor?

I apologize if a couple of my terms aren't correct. I'm not the most knowledgeable in terms of these things. Haha!

Thanks!
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On a Sandy Bridge IGP-equipped machine, StarCraft II will run smoother on lowest settings, but worse on medium settings than a GeForce 320M equipped 13" MacBook Pro. If that makes sense.
 
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