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Armen

Armen

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Google just announced that Android 4.4 KitKat will NOT be available for the Google Nexus phone released in 2011.

The Google flagship phone released 2 years ago is Not getting the latest Android OS update and you guys are kicking and screaming about how you don't want the latest iOS on your iPhone that is 3 years old.
 
Updated does not always equal better...why would someone want to install an updated operating system if it reduced the performance of the device?
 
I think the point Armen is trying to make is that everyone on here complained because Apple dropped support on their earlier devices "too early". Now Apple continues to support their older phones and these forums complain because the software doesn't run as well as it would on a new phone.

Meanwhile, Google is saying they will no longer support their flagship phone that is only 2 years old.


Man I just do not get these forums. I've never seen an overwhelmingly negative reaction to almost everything.
 
Armen said:
Google just announced that Android 4.4 KitKat will NOT be available for the Google Nexus phone released in 2011.

The Google flagship phone released 2 years ago is Not getting the latest Android OS update and you guys are kicking and screaming about how you don't want the latest iOS on your iPhone that is 3 years old.
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I think the most important part is that the update is going to be rolling out in the "next couple weeks". This is like a month I'm sure. Last update it took my Nexus 7 2 weeks to update and it was supposed to be live within a day...

Also of note is the lack of features. If iOS is getting stale what's going on with Android?
 
I used to think if I ever left iOS for Android I would choose the Nexus series of phones to experience the true Google Android experience without all the Manufacturer fluff but now I'm not too sure. If they are dropping support for their own flagship device that's barely 2 years old there isn't much hope left.
 
'Allowing' the installation of a bloated o/s designed for modern hardware onto an aged device which can't handle it isn't really Apple doing iPhone 4 users a favour is it?

To be honest, exactly which new features have been worth sacrificing speed and battery life for? Does anyone really incorporate any of the new iOS7 features into their daily lives and wonder how they lived without them? I have an iPhone 5 and bemoan the loss of 2.5 hours of battery life per charging cycle. I neither use nor need any of the new features but I sure as hell need the battery power. I got along just fine using iOS6 for web browsing, calls and SMS. I still only use iOS7 for web browsing, calls and SMS.
 
sunking101 said:
'Allowing' the installation of a bloated o/s designed for modern hardware onto an aged device which can't handle it isn't really Apple doing iPhone 4 users a favour is it?

To be honest, exactly which new features have been worth sacrificing speed and battery life for? Does anyone really incorporate any of the new iOS7 features into their daily lives and wonder how they lived without them? I have an iPhone 5 and bemoan the loss of 2.5 hours of battery life per charging cycle. I neither use nor need any of the new features but I sure as hell need the battery power. I got along just fine using iOS6 for web browsing, calls and SMS. I still only use iOS7 for web browsing, calls and SMS.
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Sacrificing Speed and Battery:

You can't quite compare a finished product (6.1.2+) to a newly released version (7.0.X) that hasn't even had its major patches yet and talk about speed.

You may want to try restoring your phone as NEW. I get better battery life out of my iPhone 5 on iOS 7 then I did on iOS 6.

Does anyone really incorporate any of the new iOS7 features into their daily lives and wonder how they lived without them?

Yes, Me.

The Mail App in iOS 7 allows you to add specific folders from your e-mail accounts to the mail summary screen so you don't have go through accounts digging for these folders. This is night and day for me for work related e-mails.

I actually use Safari more than ever now just because I can navigate back/forward on pages by swiping the edges of the screen. Heck, I even got rid of Mercury browser because of this.
 
Armen said:
Google just announced that Android 4.4 KitKat will NOT be available for the Google Nexus phone released in 2011.

The Google flagship phone released 2 years ago is Not getting the latest Android OS update and you guys are kicking and screaming about how you don't want the latest iOS on your iPhone that is 3 years old.
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Google support their older software. Apple don't.
 
Armen said:
Google just announced that Android 4.4 KitKat will NOT be available for the Google Nexus phone released in 2011.

The Google flagship phone released 2 years ago is Not getting the latest Android OS update and you guys are kicking and screaming about how you don't want the latest iOS on your iPhone that is 3 years old.
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The two aren't really related.

Plus, what does it matter what Android does--it doesn't change anything one way or another for someone who for one reason or another might want (or even almost need) to be on iOS 6 rather than 7, for example.
 
Armen said:
Google just announced that Android 4.4 KitKat will NOT be available for the Google Nexus phone released in 2011.

The Google flagship phone released 2 years ago is Not getting the latest Android OS update and you guys are kicking and screaming about how you don't want the latest iOS on your iPhone that is 3 years old.
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That was before they were doing unlocked phones. They won't drop the support as quickly for the n4 and n5 because they changed how they sell the phones. Also the iPhone 4 is missing features of the new os. The galaxy nexus has the latest android version with all the features. Not some removed. Further, Google is releasing the google experience launcher which is basically going to be kitkat on most devices, just without the white colour scheme.

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rtomyj said:
I think the most important part is that the update is going to be rolling out in the "next couple weeks". This is like a month I'm sure. Last update it took my Nexus 7 2 weeks to update and it was supposed to be live within a day...

Also of note is the lack of features. If iOS is getting stale what's going on with Android?
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They don't do them all on the same day. They roll them out in waves according to serial number. You can't complain about not getting the update right away if you don't know how Google rolls out updates.
 
C DM said:
The two aren't really related.

Plus, what does it matter what Android does--it doesn't change anything one way or another for someone who for one reason or another might want (or even almost need) to be on iOS 6 rather than 7, for example.
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You know how things work around here. Someone complains about iOS and then threatens to leave for Android. I can't say I champion either platform but the grass isn't greener on the other side either if you look at it.

Here users complain about how they don't want to upgrade and the other side is lucky to get an update.
 
unlike ios, Android components CAN be updated for older devices. so although technically you could run android 2, 3 or 4, but your core apps can be latest. it's kind of like Windows updates.

whereas with ios, the WHOLE os need to be updated.
 
From Engadget:

Update: There's still no official word on why this is the case, but sources close to the company have pointed the finger at a different hardware issue on the Galaxy Nexus: its Texas Instruments-built chipset. The company is out of the mobile business and as such isn't in a great position to give the support necessary for continuing OS upgrades -- presumably some of those 1,700 employees let go in the shift away from mobile could have helped. Now we'll have to see if the community can pick up where the corporations left off or if this is the end of the road for the Gnex and its other OMAP-based kin like last year's Kindle Fire HD, Nook HD and Droid Bionic.
 
Armen said:
Sacrificing Speed and Battery:

You can't quite compare a finished product (6.1.2+) to a newly released version (7.0.X) that hasn't even had its major patches yet and talk about speed.

You may want to try restoring your phone as NEW. I get better battery life out of my iPhone 5 on iOS 7 then I did on iOS 6.

Does anyone really incorporate any of the new iOS7 features into their daily lives and wonder how they lived without them?

Yes, Me.

The Mail App in iOS 7 allows you to add specific folders from your e-mail accounts to the mail summary screen so you don't have go through accounts digging for these folders. This is night and day for me for work related e-mails.

I actually use Safari more than ever now just because I can navigate back/forward on pages by swiping the edges of the screen. Heck, I even got rid of Mercury browser because of this.
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I hate that new feature in Safari and it regularly causes me problems. I accidentally swipe to another page when I just wanted to scroll left or right within the page I was on. I frequently lose posts I'm typing on forums and news sites.
Congrats on gaining longer battery life with iOS 7. I don't know how you managed it because five fresh installs have thus far produced no improvement on 5.5 hours of WiFi web surfing. 3G browsing returns approx three hours of battery life.
 
sunking101 said:
I hate that new feature in Safari and it regularly causes me problems. I accidentally swipe to another page when I just wanted to scroll left or right within the page I was on. I frequently lose posts I'm typing on forums and news sites.
Congrats on gaining longer battery life with iOS 7. I don't know how you managed it because five fresh installs have thus far produced no improvement on 5.5 hours of WiFi web surfing. 3G browsing returns approx three hours of battery life.
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Put your phone in DFU mode and do a restore and setup as NEW. I don't know what DFU mode does differently than just a regular restore and setup as NEW but it worked and I don't even sweat the battery life anymore. Try it.
 
onthecouchagain said:
From Engadget:

Update: There's still no official word on why this is the case, but sources close to the company have pointed the finger at a different hardware issue on the Galaxy Nexus: its Texas Instruments-built chipset. The company is out of the mobile business and as such isn't in a great position to give the support necessary for continuing OS upgrades -- presumably some of those 1,700 employees let go in the shift away from mobile could have helped. Now we'll have to see if the community can pick up where the corporations left off or if this is the end of the road for the Gnex and its other OMAP-based kin like last year's Kindle Fire HD, Nook HD and Droid Bionic.
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Bingo. Right above. Also its not completely necessary for Google because, like others have said, they update their important apps outside of software updates. Apple refuses to do this, giving users a greater incentive (more like a kick in the butt) to upgrade to the latest OS. Google is basically circumventing manufactures/carriers lackluster efforts or refusal to update their phones by updating all their core apps. Its actually a great solution for a crappy situation if you ask me.
 
Armen said:
The Mail App in iOS 7 allows you to add specific folders from your e-mail accounts to the mail summary screen so you don't have go through accounts digging for these folders. This is night and day for me for work related e-mails.
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How do you add specific folders to your email accounts?? Does this work only with Exchange Accounts or with POP3 as well?

Will appreciate your help on this.
 
CB1234 said:
How do you add specific folders to your email accounts?? Does this work only with Exchange Accounts or with POP3 as well?

Will appreciate your help on this.
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From the Mail Summary screen:

1. Tap on EDIT at the top right
2. Scroll all the way down and tap on "add Mailbox"
3. Choose the account that you want to add the folder from
4. Choose the folder
5. Click done.
 
Armen said:
Google just announced that Android 4.4 KitKat will NOT be available for the Google Nexus phone released in 2011.

The Google flagship phone released 2 years ago is Not getting the latest Android OS update and you guys are kicking and screaming about how you don't want the latest iOS on your iPhone that is 3 years old.
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But how long has the 3GS not been sold. (answer less than than the Galaxy Nexus which has not been sold for over 12 months. 3GS was off the market less than 12 before it was not updated any longer.
 
armen said:
from the mail summary screen:

1. Tap on edit at the top right
2. Scroll all the way down and tap on "add mailbox"
3. Choose the account that you want to add the folder from
4. Choose the folder
5. Click done.
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thanks a lot mate !!!!!!!!
 
TheOtherKind said:
Updated does not always equal better...why would someone want to install an updated operating system if it reduced the performance of the device?
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Isn't a very large part of the appeal of KitKat that they have streamlined it to run on MUCH older devices, I mean they tout that aspect quite a bit, I think they mention 512mb RAM.

I think them not supporting a 2 year old phone is a bit of a D*** move.
 
spinedoc77 said:
Isn't a very large part of the appeal of KitKat that they have streamlined it to run on MUCH older devices, I mean they tout that aspect quite a bit, I think they mention 512mb RAM.

I think them not supporting a 2 year old phone is a bit of a D*** move.
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Some sources point to a TI-OMAP issue. I'm waiting to see if custom roms throw Kit-Kat on the Galaxy Nexus. I said when earlier, but maybe they can't. If they do, however, then shame on Google.
 
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