All iPads Ipad 3 slower than ipad mini 1 within third party apps

[sw6lee]

Hi guys, i have both ipad 3 and ipad mini 1st gen. What i notice from them on ios 7.1 is that same apps perform much better and smoother on ipad mini 1 than on ipad 3. I know that ipad 3 has to drive this retina display, but is this slower app performance problem of ipad 3 actually due to the display and not as capable processor OR apple didnt optimize the software in general for ipad 3 and most third party apps are slower and laggier on ipad 3? I'm really not sure. Example of these apps are many from my experience, but main ones are eBay, and Frank & Oak. Apps like Google Search is laggier too on ipad 3. Its not that the load up time is slower, its just the animations are more stuttering and not as smooth in many third party apps. Stock apps run perfectly on both devices. I'm wondering if apple improves the overall performance on ipad 3 with ios 8, then third party apps will also run smoother because ipad 3 general speed is improved? Is this correct? Just asking even though I'm not sure if apple will improve the speed sith ios 8 for ipad 3.

Any insights?

Thanks.

Btw, I'm not planning to upgrade yet, so i just wish the problem can be resolved..

 

[Night Spring]

I was using the iPad 3 and the mini 1 together last year, and I never noticed much difference in performance between the two. I mean, not like I put them side by side and did the same things on both to compare the speed, but I'd use one for a while, and put it down and use the other for a while, and I never noticed any speed difference.

 

[Menel]

Hi guys, i have both ipad 3 and ipad mini 1st gen. What i notice from them on ios 7.1 is that same apps perform much better and smoother on ipad mini 1 than on ipad 3. I know that ipad 3 has to drive this retina display, but is this slower app performance problem of ipad 3 actually due to the display and not as capable processor OR apple didnt optimize the software in general for ipad 3 and most third party apps are slower and laggier on ipad 3? I'm really not sure. Example of these apps are many from my experience, but main ones are eBay, and Frank & Oak. Apps like Google Search is laggier too on ipad 3. Its not that the load up time is slower, its just the animations are more stuttering and not as smooth in many third party apps. Stock apps run perfectly on both devices. I'm wondering if apple improves the overall performance on ipad 3 with ios 8, then third party apps will also run smoother because ipad 3 general speed is improved? Is this correct? Just asking even though I'm not sure if apple will improve the speed sith ios 8 for ipad 3.

Any insights?

Thanks.

Btw, I'm not planning to upgrade yet, so i just wish the problem can be resolved..

They have the same CPU. iPad 3 just has a doubled up GPU.

But the Mini1 has a mere 1/4 of the pixels to process.

Do the math. iPad 2 / iPad Mini 1 often come out a hair faster than iPad 3.

iOS is already fully optimized for the A5 in the iPad 3. iOS8 isn't going to bring better optimization.

 

[sw6lee]

I was using the iPad 3 and the mini 1 together last year, and I never noticed much difference in performance between the two. I mean, not like I put them side by side and did the same things on both to compare the speed, but I'd use one for a while, and put it down and use the other for a while, and I never noticed any speed difference.

Hey thanks for your reply. I notice a big difference myself. Have you tried the apps i mentioned above? Maybe its hard to notice for some people. I am very keen on smoothness, so i notice every single little stutter. frank & oak is significantly slower on ioad 3 than on ipad mini, and this is a bit extreme case, and i motice on so many other apps, not as bad but still a bit annoying.

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They have the same CPU. iPad 3 just has a doubled up GPU.

But the Mini1 has a mere 1/4 of the pixels to process.

Do the math. iPad 2 / iPad Mini 1 often come out a hair faster than iPad 3.

iOS is already fully optimized for the A5 in the iPad 3. iOS8 isn't going to bring better optimization.

I don't think ios 7.1 is fully optimized for ipad 3. There are many stutters here and there across the user interface. Just try double pressing home button WITHIN AN APP, then press home button once more and there is a very ugly and significant stutter. This is confirmed by other users too and it only happens on ipad 3 and no other iDevices. Things like this makes me believe that ios 7.1 is not fully optimized for ipad 3. But I'm wondering if apple oprimize it better with ios 8, will third party app performance improve too because the general performance improved, or it all depends o the app devs to optimize it better for ipad 3? I'm not an ios developer, so i don't know if they have to optimize apps for all ios devices separately by testing ob each device. If this is not how it is, then I'm thinking if apple improves ios 8 performance for ipad 3, apps may perform better. Just like when ios 7 was released, some games that were playing fine on ios 6 started lagging. I'm not sure if my hope is reasonable.

 

[Night Spring]

Hey thanks for your reply. I notice a big difference myself. Have you tried the apps i mentioned above? Maybe its hard to notice for some people. I am very keen on smoothness, so i notice every single little stutter. frank & oak is significantly slower on ioad 3 than on ipad mini, and this is a bit extreme case, and i motice on so many other apps, not as bad but still a bit annoying.

Sorry, I no longer have the mini -- gave it to my Mom -- so I no longer can compare. And yes, some people are more sensitive than others to various things, I'm sure.

Btw, what is this Frank & Oak app you mention?

And as for hoping things get better with iOS 8, I think it's more likely that things will get worse with each new OS generation, but I suppose there could always be exceptins to the rule...

 

[sw6lee]

Sorry, I no longer have the mini -- gave it to my Mom -- so I no longer can compare. And yes, some people are more sensitive than others to various things, I'm sure.

Btw, what is this Frank & Oak app you mention?

And as for hoping things get better with iOS 8, I think it's more likely that things will get worse with each new OS generation, but I suppose there could always be exceptins to the rule...

Frank & Oak is a clothing shopping app from the brand Frank & Oak, a pretty new brand from Montreal I believe. It's only for men, and they have nice collections. The iPad app is really nice except as I mentioned, it's pretty slow on iPad 3, but smooth as butter on iPad mini 1.

And I thought iOS 8 might improve because there is a chance like when Mountain lion lagged so much running out of ram a lot of times, but Mavericks is SO much smoother and power efficient. They have the same design, not much noticeable difference, so it's a small upgrade. iOS 8 is similar in this case. But I don't know if iOS 8 will actually be faster on this iPad 3.

BTW I'm wondering how much would I have to add if I want to trade in my iPad 3 for an iPad 4 at Apple store? Maybe someone had an experience with that..If it's not TOO much I might consider, but I'm not sure if iPad 4 outperforms iPad 3 in real world performance within apps..sure if's definitely more powerful processor, but not sure if the smoothness has improved drastically, or not much. Never able to try the apps I use often on iPad 4 at Apple store cause I can't download my own apps there.

 

[Night Spring]

Frank & Oak is a clothing shopping app from the brand Frank & Oak, a pretty new brand from Montreal I believe. It's only for men, and they have nice collections. The iPad app is really nice except as I mentioned, it's pretty slow on iPad 3, but smooth as butter on iPad mini 1.

And I thought iOS 8 might improve because there is a chance like when Mountain lion lagged so much running out of ram a lot of times, but Mavericks is SO much smoother and power efficient. They have the same design, not much noticeable difference, so it's a small upgrade. iOS 8 is similar in this case. But I don't know if iOS 8 will actually be faster on this iPad 3.

BTW I'm wondering how much would I have to add if I want to trade in my iPad 3 for an iPad 4 at Apple store? Maybe someone had an experience with that..If it's not TOO much I might consider, but I'm not sure if iPad 4 outperforms iPad 3 in real world performance within apps..sure if's definitely more powerful processor, but not sure if the smoothness has improved drastically, or not much. Never able to try the apps I use often on iPad 4 at Apple store cause I can't download my own apps there.

Thanks for the info on Franks & Oaks. Might give it a try on the iPad 3 later if I get a chance. However, my iPad 3 is still on iOS 6, and I don't plan on upgrading it to iOS 7, so not sure if that would give any meaningful comparisons.

As for iOS 8, you could take a look in the iOS 8 subforum and see if there are any threads about how iOS 8 beta performs on an iPad 3.
https://forums.macrumors.com/forums/170/

And as far as I know, Apple doesn't really have a trade-in program for older iPads, they have a recycling program, but I doubt they give you the best value,
https://www.apple.com/recycling/

Your best bet is to sell your iPad 3 on eBay or Craigslist, if you want maximum value for it.

 

[okwhatev]

Yes... Sell the ipad 3 and take advantage of all the wonderful $350 deals happening right now with the iPad Air. You'll easily be able to sell your iPad 3 for the same price. Don't wait!!

 

[sw6lee]

Yes... Sell the ipad 3 and take advantage of all the wonderful $350 deals happening right now with the iPad Air. You'll easily be able to sell your iPad 3 for the same price. Don't wait!!

Where do i sell an ipad 3 easily at that price? I tried selling on ebay at less than 300 and didnt sell.

 

[okwhatev]

Do you have a good seller account? Do you have great photos? Is it in pristine condition? Is it jailbroken? (Use that as a selling point.. They're worth much more). Also use buy it now. People don't like to wait. Even if you sell it for $275... That means a brand new iPad Air for $100 or so. Not a bad price to upgrade.

 

[brent1977]

Where do i sell an ipad 3 easily at that price? I tried selling on ebay at less than 300 and didnt sell.

I just sold my Mom's iPad 3 on eBay for ~$275 + shipping. Mint condition with a couple cases and a smart cover. Think the average seems to be around $250. Picked her up an Air at BestBuy for ~$325 a couple weeks ago.

Did the same with my iPad Mini (Tmobile). It only sold for $255 + shipping. That easily offset the ~$275 rMini that I just picked up at Best Buy.