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TinaBelcher

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Does the 11-inch support a full keyboard like the 12.9-inch? I always hated how large and limited the 10.5-inch on-screen keyboard looks and feels like and now that the 11-inch is longer in portrait mode I’m curious to see if they’re going to take advantage of the size and extend it, or are apple going to troll us and just scale it up again?

I’d appreciate if you guys could post screenshots of the on-screen keyboard. Thanks
 

BeatCrazy

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Yes, it has the full(er) keyboard vs. the 10.5, including a Tab, Caps lock and Shift key.

But the real problem... the 11” still has the (.?123) and emoji keys incorrectly swapped on the left side! This was fixed on 12.0.1 for the rest of the iPads I think. My 11” is on 12.1 ugh.
 

mrcel

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But the real problem... the 11” still has the (.?123) and emoji keys incorrectly swapped on the left side! This was fixed on 12.0.1 for the rest of the iPads I think. My 11” is on 12.1 ugh.

This is driving me nuts. Come on, Apple, this is an emotional rollercoaster!
 

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Here they both are side-by-side.

I dislike the useless white space at the bottom that pushes the keyboard further into the screen. All of that said, there are 3rd party keyboards available to help reduce the overall onscreen size. You could look into one of those.
 

BeatCrazy

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View attachment 802371 Here they both are side-by-side.
Should say 11 not 11.5, didn’t have coffee in me yet ;)

I dislike the useless white space at the bottom that pushes the keyboard further into the screen. All of that said, there are 3rd party keyboards available to help reduce the overall onscreen size. You could look into one of those.

Nice. But I can tell your 10.5 is not up to date on the latest iOS ;)
 

maflynn

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I dislike the useless white space at the bottom that pushes the keyboard
I believe that's needed because of the swipe up action and the bar being placed for that (I forget the official name of that). Since there no longer a home button, apple needs extra screen real estate for the gestures.
 
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840quadra

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I believe that's needed because of the swipe up action and the bar being placed for that (I forget the official name of that). Since there no longer a home button, apple needs extra screen real estate for the gestures.
That too makes sense. Sadly, it just consumes some valuable space on the screen. I actually use the screen keyboard quite a bit. Amazed I can type on it almost as fast as a true tactile keyboard.
 

maflynn

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That too makes sense. Sadly, it just consumes some valuable space on the screen. I actually use the screen keyboard quite a bit. Amazed I can type on it almost as fast as a true tactile keyboard.
Yeah, people had complained about similar wasted space when the iPhone X was released. Tbh, I've stopped noticing on my X ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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Marzel

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Yeah, people had complained about similar wasted space when the iPhone X was released. Tbh, I've stopped noticing on my X ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I think Apple is overdoing it with the empty space though; especially on the X. Apple is asking developers to refrain from adding interactive elements way above the white bar. Apple's own keyboard is hovering almost a thumb above the bottom of the screen. That's crazy.
 

TinaBelcher

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I think Apple is overdoing it with the empty space though; especially on the X. Apple is asking developers to refrain from adding interactive elements way above the white bar. Apple's own keyboard is hovering almost a thumb above the bottom of the screen. That's crazy.
It’s absolutely useless. The iPad Pro gen 2017 shows how that you can still use the gestures without the need of that hideous long thick line aka “the home bar” (if you’ve updated to iOS 12). Now they’ve targeted the 2018 gen iPads, too. I don’t understand why is has to be a damn horizontal line and why is it so stretched and loooooong. Android P’s horizontel line is way shorter and better looking.

And have you seen what it looks like in split view? TRAGIC!
 
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TrueBlou

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It’s absolutely useless. The iPad Pro gen 2017 shows how that you can still use the gestures without the need of that hideous long thick line aka “the home bar” (if you’ve updated to iOS 12). Now they’ve targeted the 2018 gen iPads, too. I don’t understand why is has to be a damn horizontal line and why is it so stretched and loooooong. Android P’s horizontel line is way shorter and better looking.

And have you seen what it looks like in split view? TRAGIC!

I’m inclined to agree. All the addition of the Home Bar actually gives us, compared to the old system, is the ability to swipe left and right through apps.

Well, we could already do that with a four finger swipe on iPad anyway. I’m sure the bar is there to ease new users in and I seriously hope that by the time iOS 13 comes around they get rid of it.

Granted, I barely notice it on my iPhone now, but still, it’s better without it I think.
 

Marzel

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I’m inclined to agree. All the addition of the Home Bar actually gives us, compared to the old system, is the ability to swipe left and right through apps.

Well, we could already do that with a four finger swipe on iPad anyway. I’m sure the bar is there to ease new users in and I seriously hope that by the time iOS 13 comes around they get rid of it.

Granted, I barely notice it on my iPhone now, but still, it’s better without it I think.
It’s probably Apple trying to be cohesive and babysit people. What’s more annoying is that the iPad already has some actions and gestures that are unique to it so there is no reason for Apple to be that conservative.
 
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